Quote from: spatula on April 13, 2016, 09:31:58 PM

Quote from: smooth on April 13, 2016, 09:01:30 PM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 13, 2016, 07:03:18 PM

Quote from: smooth on April 13, 2016, 07:00:28 PM

I'll leave how I derived these numbers as an exercise to the reader for now with the hint that it is almost entirely objective.

smoothie replied before you wrote your post:

Quote from: smoothie on April 13, 2016, 02:05:22 PM

So then basically everything you've said is just words.

No facts/proof to back up your bold claims.

No worries. On to the next thread...

Hypocrisy is not meritocracy. It is even worse in that it is self-defeating.

You may not like how I presented it as a bit of a puzzle, but it isn't an extraordinary claim. What does Dash have that would support a higher price/cap:

1. Does it have more development as evidenced by github metrics (commits, etc.)?
2. Does it have more more discussion on neutral forums such as reddit/twitter/etc.
3. Does it have evidence of more transaction usage outside of investors?
4. Does it have more trading volume?
5. Does it have more available liquidity on order books?
6. Is it primarily traded on a different/better exchange making it accessible to more/different investors?
7. Does it have better search rankings (have to be a bit careful here to not find detergent ads, etc.)
8. Does it have more coverage by journalists, including bloggers, podcasts, etc.? (Especially unpaid coverage.)
9. Does have more/better recognition for soundness by influential technical experts?
10. Is there evidence of new users joining the community at a higher rate?

The answer to all of these is no. The two are either comparable or Monero is stronger.

Now if you ask why the price/cap is what it is, the obvious answer has to do with supply dynamics.

Let's not forget that until recently Bytecoin was also ranked higher than Monero for a year or more, at times quite a bit higher, while at the same time failing on most or all of the above metrics along with others. Those of us looking at the fundamentals said the very same thing -- that it was where it was because of supply dynamics, not fundamentals. Sure enough Bytecoin is now at about 1/2 of Monero's market cap, and was recently much lower than that.

Obsession with market cap (and cap ranking, price) as a particularly meaningful indicator of anything is a blind spot of many crypto investors. Don't be blind.

Oh that looks fun. Let me give it a go. Do I have to limit mine to 10 as well?

11. Does it have more features?
12. Does it have a GUI wallet?
13. Does it have working mobile wallets? (ios and android)
14. Does it have more full nodes?
15. Does it have a built in funding/budgeting system?
16. Does it have (near) instant transactions?
17. Does it have a governance model?
18. Is it accepted by more vendors?
19. Does it have ATM integration?
20. Is its codebase compatible with existing bitcoin based systems?

I'll respond for now, but I genuinely don't want to make this another DASH vs XMR thread.

#11 - Depends on what you consider "features". One could argue that making the system more complex by adding (perhaps unnecessary) features doesn't really make it any more valuable. In fact, it could result in a new set of attack vectors which could possibly be detrimental to its value.

#12 - soon I guess. I agree with you though that having a GUI is important for at least "adoption" within the cryptocurrency atmosphere.

#13 - Someone is working on that (ios) and yes (android).

#14 - Depends how you look at it. I bet most XMR full nodes are running at home, whereas the nodes of DASH are for the greatest part (probably >90%) hosted on cloud hosting services. The masternode design actually gives an incentive to host your masternode on a cloud hosting service, which in my opinion leads to centralization.

#15 - Well, DASH uses blockchain funds to fund projects, whereas Monero relies on fundraisers / projects that are funded by the community. In my opinion, the latter will result in more valuable, wisely chosen and well thought out projects to fund, whereas the former will result in literally throwing money at everything that kind of looks good and perhaps will benefit DASH.

#16 - Some kind of sidechains could be useful for that. For now I agree with you, but I think TPTB_need_war has also pointed out that the design is kind of flawed. So I'd like to see it a bit more thorougly vetted before making claims that it's really instant and safe.

#17 - Governance model is described in the year in review -> https://getmonero.org/2016/02/10/monero-missive-2015-year-in-review.html

#18 - You can pay any Bitcoin address with Monero using XMR.to. Not sure if DASH has such a feature. I kind of agree with smooth as well on this point. In addition, merchants are only useful if people really use them. Most Bitcoin merchants barely see any traffic. Besides, nearly all of them cash out immediately to fiat.

#19 - I agree with smooth here too. The fees are usually high (i.e. >5%) and most ATMs require verification. Also, most ATMs hardly see any traffic because most people will choose a more cheaper option. Even localbitcoins got way better rates than most ATMs.

#20 - A Bitcoin compatible RPC API, with in addition walletnotify / blocknotify, is on the roadmap -> https://getmonero.org/design-goals/. Having the same codebase has both its advantages and disadvantages.