Quote from: meh32123 on May 05, 2016, 10:54:13 AM

VAT is not part of the service you are buying... It's a third party (the government) ripping you both (the seller and the buyer) off.... A fee, you say, what in hell gives the government the right to add a fee to a product? Fair taxes don't exist IMO, for example what if the government decides to triple the VAT taxes, would you still find it to be fair then? or when they 10-fold it? VAT is still THEFT from our wealth!

Also VAT is in no way correlated to the people working on borders. If you feel you want to pay for people working on the borders, then buy THAT service. But don't justify VAT (which is being forced onto everyone) for that purpose. For instance, I like roads, they are partly payed via income tax, so now income tax is okay, no fucking way.

I am confused if you like government or not, it seems you like some of the services and you even approve some of their robberies of our wealth (VAT). On the other hand you don't like income tax and hate being governed.

Well some taxes are justified while others are completely criminal. In short, all taxes are criminal, but VAT is definitely less criminal than the income tax. And if the government increased VAT 10 times there will be consequences, so they probably won't do that. That's why they invented the income tax instead, which pretty much says that you are someone else's property and all your income belongs to someone else. And if that is not enough, many people take loans and get into even deeper slavery.

Quote from: meh32123 on May 05, 2016, 10:54:13 AM

In regards to the signature, its peoples own choice to sign stuff, if they don't read the fine prints that is their own responsibility IMO. If you don't like a gym contract with many pages of fine print, you can also decide to NOT take the service. I really don't understand your problem with signatures tbh, yes people could be more carefull, but that is not really the fault of the signatures right?

No problem with signatures. Free market sorts this one out. You don't have to go to a gym where there is a contract. However, I don't like the fact that signing is secretly made a normal and casual act. What if I didn't sign a thing in my life? Perhaps this would disrupt the system enough that it would accelerate its collapse, if all people did that. The bottom reason for all this is the fact that you are an object to your government. Your government gets loans from banks using you as a collateral. Instead, you should belong to yourself and you should make it very clear to everyone that you are not your legal name. So hypothetically, perhaps by not signing some papers to get an ID and what not, you are somewhat more free of a person than others?