Quote from: kano on January 25, 2013, 03:29:31 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 25, 2013, 02:34:02 AM

Quote from: kano on January 25, 2013, 01:45:07 AM

... and please do not quote a part of a post of mine where you have edited that quoted text ... you have edited a few of my posts ...

Come on. Don't be a prick.

If I misunderstood you that's fine. But if you're not actually demanding that they put the code on a website, and you're not claiming they're infringing by not giving it to you then what the heck are you posting on this subject at all for? I certainly don't see any reason to continue to argue with you when you're just going to respond agreeing with me! This has gone way offtopic and has basically nothing to do with Avalon's release now I would have split off your and my posts already but didn't lest I be accused of burying them.

It has everything to do with Avalon.

Firstly, they have stated in this thread twice (and on their web site) that they will release the source code - but they still haven't.
Of course there is no license requirement for them to do that yet - but it is a concern IMO for them to state that they will and still have not done it.
The reason for the concern is again ... as I have already stated ... that they MUST already have the source code UNLESS they are shipping devices that do not work.

If they already have the source code (i.e. the shipped devices do work) then it is VERY disconcerting for them to say that they need to edit the source code before they will release it.
As soon as ANYONE who receives one of these shipped devices that already work, requests the source code, Avalon MUST supply the unedited code - that MUST already exist if the shipped devices do work.

I am also concerned about this due to what I consider to be an issue with the Open Source nature of the Icarus bitstream.
The Icarus bitstream, when it was originally made available, did not include all that was necessary to produce the bitstream.
I'm not sure if that was later changed or not.
Obviously, however, there was enough information in the source for others to make modified Icarus bitstream clones.
That, what I consider a shortfall, with the original Open Source Icarus bitstream, suggests to me that they might not be as gung ho about Open Source as they claim.
I'll be happy if they allay my concerns

I'm wondering why they haven't already done that.

There is also the issue of their blatant license violation of the tools provided with the Icarus DevKit as many also know.

Thus I will be keeping a VERY close eye on this issue that I have raised ... here with Avalon ... about editing the source and adhering to the cgminer GPL3 license.

Also, cgminer without source code has been released before - and it wasn't until we pointed out the license violation, that the source code was released.
Yohan did it with the Cairnsmore1

We are very much intent on not having the cgminer license violated ...

just a thought: maybe releasing the source code would "expose" the still-unrevealed extras in the avalon device, or otherwise negate the fun surprise that comes from the first pics to be posted.

also, if the code is released at the same time as the first customers receive, maybe it will help to prolong the hashrate/overclocking curve while the later orders are shipped/received