Yes, normal programmers go to college to get real world training from career programmers who actually know what they're talking about.  If you're just some nerd sitting in front of your computer with a textbook you got off Amazon, trying to learn it with zero guidance or on some forum full of arrogant douchebags who pretend they're professional programmers too, good fucking luck.  That's where garbage code with no standards, no comments, and no sense comes from.

If you want to know what kind of software comes from self-taught dumbfucks who are clueless about UI design standards and efficient programming, look at Fedora 18.  It's like me trying to write a symphony and not knowing shit about music, lol.

What a coincidence that the same exact people saying professional programming training isn't necessary are the same ones who talk out their ass about security vulnerabilities and make immature, misguided comments to anyone they view as potentially superior to them because they have no self esteem.  I guess dumbasses about programming are dumbasses about everything in life.