Quote from: 2112 on May 14, 2016, 01:09:51 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 14, 2016, 05:09:14 AM

I understand you want to make money , but having your chips in other peoples designs would make you money not cost you money.

This is your mistake. It isn't about money. It is about respect, and by "respected" it one from the Occident should probably think "feared". My shortest explanation is that ngzhang belongs to a class of people for whom having 90% of $1000 is more than having 10% of $100000. It isn't about getting more money, it is about getting more respect. It is a fundamental difference in motivation.

Well put My brother has often tried to explain 'respect' and loss of it in the Chinese culture to me.

My brother has spent 5 years in Taiwan and 3 years in mainland China. He was a dean at a NYC college he speaks reads and writes Chinese and has a PHD from Columbia in Linguistics . Pretty much really smart in comparison to me.

The chip in a design other then Avalon 's own design most likely will not happen for a lot of reasons including your respect one.

As I see this from the viewpoint of I don't need to mine for money. I don't try to make a lot of money and I really want to promote small mining as much as I can.
This is just not an agenda for any asic builder as the small miner with 'free' power kills big farms.

Many people can do a small miner at their office legally. By small 500 to 700 watts not noisy for space heating.

Many homes in the USA have electrical heat old school plain and simple radiator type.
In my area there are two senior only developments they use electrical heat. four room small homes with 1 bath. They would be ideal for 500 watt miners like an s-3.
Quiet and they just could tie into a network in the club house of the development.

Both cases above put a hurt on large farms.
As for sidehack building a better miner then avalon would build he probably would in adjustability and efficiency .

Frankly I don't sit in on a 25ph farm and listen to them discuss what they want with Avalon. They work from a different viewpoint. Then I do.
They would make the coin and sell the coin and leave the system in the dust.

But the crypto world will adjust look at Eth coin it is an adjustment to BTC asic builders. The gpu companies have gaming and design as 1 and 2 but they have come to realize mining can help their bottom line. Eth coin will switch to POS is Eth asics come out.

then a new coin with a new algorithm will take over. always keeping gpu's as top miner.
In time this could simply kill off asic btc. Why because they won't sell chips to different designers.

Many companies make gpus and the major chips in them are more accessible to designers. so by hoarding asic chips the major players are risking the future of btc.

I spend 1400 watts for 150 mh to mine eth coin even at my 17 cent summer power rate I turn a profit. plus have good pc's to sell if I choose.
Plus I know that if an asic builder builds an asic chip the coin goes to POS.

Mind you I will still buy an avalon 7 and an bitmaintech s-9 for the array.

But my agenda is small miners in house as it keeps the gear everywhere. So if rotating from BTC asics to Eth coin gpus allows miners to be more wide spread I will push Eth coin.

As an aside AMD has more then enough money to prop up the price of Eth coin buying it on exchanges . It will help thier gpu sales.