Quote from: ArticMine on May 15, 2016, 11:29:03 PM

Quote from: MoneroMooo on May 15, 2016, 10:42:57 PM

I do not care much what it is you are trying to hype this time.
My point is just that you persist in the hawking, and do nothing. If you continue doing this, you will end up frustrated and angry, and without having helped humanity.
A proof allows others to build upon, find flaws, and better what you are working on, so you can in turn find flaws, and better it. This is the whole point of free software. We stand on the shoulders of giants. I invite you to try to do so as well. I think everyone would gain from it.

This lies at the heart as to why proprietary software development and DRM are doomed to fail. I have an Idea and I want to sell it, so I must keep it a secret and add lots of DRM to prevent anyone else from evaluating and vetting the idea, because someone else might copy it. Furthermore I then turn everyday devices in Orwellian surveillance tools and lobby the state to make a criminal offense to circumvent the DRM and gain control the devices one owns. Of course all the secrets and DRM only attempt to prevent anyone from finding out if the idea even works, or even if the idea puts the health and life of innocent people at risk.

So yourself coming from academia (a professor or physics researcher in Canada) where you are paid by socialism to do your profession, your vision of how work gets done is we all have a job paid for by the government and there is no proprietary intellectual property any more. This is a Communist delusion and it always ends in megadeath due to economic collapse. The Socialists were in control the Weimar Republic that lead to Hitler's rise. There are so many examples that litter the history of mankind.

Btw, I never advocated that my idea wouldn't be open sourced. I posited that it would be better for an altcoin to implement my idea and then later announce it for peer review when they were very close to launching it, so they would have first mover advantage. Besides there isn't really much need for peer review on the idea, because I am already so expert on anonymity technology that I am the person who should be peer reviewing it.

If I can get some compensation in return for the 4 years of day in and day out technical research effort I have devoted to crypto-currency, then that is capitalism.

We all know that the altcoin arena is a gambler's paradise and that is all that it is. You Monero folks seem to think you are holier than thou, but even your own community is only here because they want to make money from speculation. Please stop with the ideological dogma. Admit reality.

Open source is not Communism, because no one forces anyone to do anything. But viral copy-left free software licenses that forces those who contribute to open source to not be able to create proprietary derivative works, is in fact Communism. It purports to create a world where everything is non-profit. Eric Raymond, Linus Torvalds, and other non-insane people prefer permissive open source licences. I prefer the Unlicense which allows anyone to do what ever they want with my code. They don't even need to attribute me!

Let me give you an example so this isn't all just abstract.

Here is the open source:

https://www.nativescript.org/

Here is the for-profit derivative work by the same people (and that doesn't mean they open source all their server code):

http://www.telerik.com/platform/appbuilder

You are a guy who would say that musicians can't charge money for their downloads. And you advocate illegal decentralized file sharing systems wherein it is impossible to for the copyright holder to have the illegal content removed. You want to create a society of theft, which is precisely what Socialism is.

There is no need to enforce DRM in order to have people pay for songs. I will show you how to do it when I launch JAMBOX, which will be an open sourced decentralized platform. But it won't support having people standup file server nodes on their home Internet connections as a way to subvert copyright law.

You Commies are entirely out-of-touch with where the prosperity is going to come from in the fledging Knowledge Digital Information Age.

I am going to continually kick your ass in the market and in technology, because I have 30 years experience doing that successfully. And because I am a capitalist.

Smooth has affiliated with the wrong crowd. Hopefully he will wise up eventually as he sees that Monero is stuck in the mud and everyone else is steaming ahead.

Look Ethereum and Dash have both already moved a lot more money through their ecosystems than Monero.

That doesn't mean I endorse concentrated distribution wherein the insiders can manipulate the float/market cap/price nor the preselling of vaporware, and I personally wouldn't do especially the ICO aspect because I think it is very illegal for me to do that because I am an expat US citizen. But that is the reality of the altcoin ecosystem. Everyone is here to gamble. The market gives what is demanded. Period. We can complain until we are blue in the face, but it will not remove the market demand for P&D. Eventually the SEC will crackdown (perhaps this DAO thing) but for now they are letting it run wild. So instead of dogma, it behoves each person to deal with the reality of the situation. Which is what I am doing. I personally am not going to launch an ICO. But if someone wants to pay me for my technical work, then why should I withhold my work from the marketplace.

You guys are so braggart, yet you can't even afford to fund your developers to work full time.

Lately I had recognized that there are individuals such as fluffypony that worked very hard on Monero and that Monero has perhaps the best distribution of any altcoin. So I had become more supportive of Monero, in spite of the fact that some members of the Monero community remain abusive to me. I still have a very bad taste in mouth from the Reddit discussions I had with your condescending jerk cryptographer Shen-noether last year. If your community simply respected others, then they (at least I) could respect you. But you disrespect the work of others. And that really pisses me off.

I do think it is important to inform speculators and the coin developers/controlling entities about the securities laws. I do think virtuall all altcoins are some sort of "mine the speculators" model. But lately I've realized that it is not my job to tell the marketplace it is wrong. The marketplace is what it is. This is nature doing its thing. I would be a Communist if I tried to tell nature it is wrong. The SEC might end up cracking down at some point, and that will be nature doing its thing.

Yes I believe in open source (not free software because nothing is free!) and I believe in creating a profitable corporation in order to fund the open source. This is what Eric Raymond understood and why he targeted his marketing to the Fortune 500 and he revolutionized the open source paradigm from a failure lead by Richard Stallman, to a successful paradigm adopted by mainstream capitalist society and business.

ArticMine, I don't dislike you as a person, but frankly you smoked too much pot up there in Canada.

Quote from: ArticMine on May 15, 2016, 11:29:03 PM

Intellectual property is the battleground of the 21st century. One can attempt to protect "Intellectual Property" and be on the side of tyranny or one can choose freedom.

Quote from: sockpuppet1 on May 15, 2016, 09:43:36 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b17ggwkR60#t=675 (make sure you listen to 14:15 and learn something about how anti-productive your attitude is)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43baAbAZhFM ("marketing...")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGnbw1QF1e8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ZyX5sN2NA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw58LZTuZjA (Linus thinks you are clinically insane)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b17ggwkR60#t=561

Great videos. Eric S. Raymond and Linus Torvalds make very good cases for Free LIbre Open Source Software and actually complement Richard M. Stallman's views. Different opinions with fundamentally similar objectives are actually a strength not a weakness.

Edit: Eventually the truth will come out as happened in the case of Volkswagen. Unfortunately many people in Europe had a premature death because of Volkswagen's proprietary software and DRM.