Quote from: pharesim on May 22, 2016, 10:15:37 PM

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Quote from: pharesim on May 22, 2016, 08:21:40 PM

Quote from: dirtygraham on May 22, 2016, 07:16:58 AM

Hello darlingz, maybe some of you hero-members can help me out with a solution. Kiss

I manage a private fund that is currently worth 530 Bitcoins in real value. We have issued an HZ-asset, a dividend-share - but here is the problem: The current Market-Cap for Horizon is only 199 Bitcoins.

If we are to pay our investors back their money at some point, we will have a real serious problems on our hands as our clients trade our HZ-asset/shares with other people... So if we are to liquidate the fund, we would need to set up a private coin/swap in order to buy back the HZ-assets in Bitcoins since our funds value is higher then the value of the entire HZ-network and therefore makes it mathematical impossible to use it for the purpose it was intended.

If I get my point across

Current price of HZ is 20 satoshi which means that our 530 Bitcoin-fund in HZ is worth 2 789 473 684 (2.7 Billion HZ) but there is only less then 1 Billion HZ in total.

Also - On Bittrex & Poloniex combined, the orderbooks are so thin that we would move the price too much upwards when we are to pay out our investors, and they would bring the price back down selling HZ for Bitcoins which makes the usecase even worse in this current situation.

In order for HZ to work as a platform there needs to be a higher price-cap with enough resistance and harder buy-support to make these transactions possible or the only ones who can use this network will be the smallest of accounts with no room to grow.

So - Going through the rich-list, you guys at the top with the most invested interest in HZ need to pump liquidity back into HZ or sell out and let the market price this right. Getting just a few million HZ is very difficult on Bittrex & Poloniex, there is almost no supply and the demand is too soft and flexible.

So - Insiders: Please skype each other and decide what it is that you want, and make the Platform functional for us and others.

Thank you.

I'd gladly help you out where possible, but not sure how a couple of millions could be of help. Shouldn't you be buying slowly instead?
Join our slack on https://slack.horizonplatform.io/ to get in touch with us...

Buying slowly... Just to pay 10 % dividend to our shareholders would mean 278 million HZ at this price.
Currently there is 33m HZ in the entire Orderbook on Bittrex + 172m in the entire Orderbook on Poloniex.

To be honest, the only way this can work is if HZ has a hard marketcap at a higher price, and you really cannot expect us to do that for you.

http://i.imgur.com/0GTridK.png

Like you cannot expect anyone to sell at a price they don't want to. If the only solution to your problem is big holders throwing coins at you, it probably won't be solved at all.

//edit: the more I think about it, the less I know what you want. You should've just bought up in small increments, waiting for new coins to flock in after each buy. After a while, you'd have driven the price up far enough + have enough coins to distribute them. They would be worth more than your average buy-in because your buys drove the price up, and the HZ would be distributed into new hands to get back into the market.
That may be a bit difficult now, after you posted both what you need and your budget for anyone on the market to see...

We only want to use the Horizon-platform for Shares & Dividends as part of our regular business, but we can´t because our fund is larger then the HZ-economy right now.

We don´t want to become a large investor in Horizon in order to use the Horizon-Platform, but Horizon must have a much higher price above 1000 satoshi with a strong buy-wall and good sell-walls to allow companies to enter & exit without moving the price in large percentages every time, and that is a job for the Insiders & Large holders/investors/developers in team-horizon, you need to have a good old business-meeting.

We - business owners/hedgefund-managers/clients/users - are willing to pay the fees, for transactions, dividend-payouts etc - but you guys that are Horizon investors and believe in this network must skype each-other and agree to lift up the marketcap and hold it stable on at least 3 digits satoshi (see image above in the thread), or nobody gets to do any business inside the platform.