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Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT
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jbreher
on 28/05/2016, 22:41:26 UTC
So I see franky1 has already posed the first question to gmaxwell, to wit: "What part of 'fully-validating' do you fail to understand?"

So BitUsher also cedes the point that SegWit does nothing to ease centralization due to burden of larger blocks upon fully-validating nodes. Joining Lauda, exstasie, and forevernoob. Excellent. Who's next?
Nice classic-speak jbreher--  Someone saying that a change increases bandwidth usage doesn't mean they're saying it does nothing to mitigate.

So gmaxwell also cedes the point that SegWit does nothing to ease centralization due to bandwidth and storage of larger blocks upon fully-validating nodes. Joining Lauda, exstasie, and forevernoob, and [edit: BitUsher may not be correct - standby for explanation]. Excellent. Who's next?



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And I was so hoping we could discuss the following:

In one hand they are stopping block size increase citing lack of consensus, and in other hand they are force feeding RBF & SegWit without consensus.
Removing the rules against actions that the network protocol expressly forbids against the will of an economically significant portion of users, and risking a persistent ledger split in the process is not a comparable thing. It's something that Bitcoin Core strongly believe it does not have the moral or technical authority to do, and attempting to do so would be a failure to uphold the principles of the system. It's not something to do lightly, and people who think that it's okay to change the system's rules out from under users who own coins in it are not people that I'd want to be taking advice from-- that kind of thinking is counter to the entire Bitcoin value proposition.

So just to be clear - do you maintain that block size increases are necessarily "Removing the rules against actions that the network protocol expressly forbids", and are therefore necessarily evil?

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Finally--at some point the capacity increases from the above may not be enough.  Delivery on relay improvements, segwit fraud proofs, dynamic block size controls, and other advances in technology will reduce the risk and therefore controversy around moderate block size increase proposals (such as 2/4/8 rescaled to respect segwit's increase).

- Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011865.html