Quote from: Evildrum on May 31, 2016, 04:43:20 AM

Quote from: ObscureBean on May 31, 2016, 04:35:27 AM

Quote from: Evildrum on May 30, 2016, 07:16:46 PM

change for the better?

You don't know that though do you? Have you looked at the situation in countries where the government is weak?

Quote from: Evildrum on May 30, 2016, 07:16:46 PM

We have the technology now or soon to make it possible to address issues in a free forum with out manipulation.

Lol you can't possibly be serious with this one. I'm sorry but you're deluded if you think people would change just because you're using a different system.
The days when individual countries would try to conquer the world are gone right? The last attempt was by Germany. So these days the world stage is a little like the "free forum" you speak of with no single country claiming dominion over the world. And you're saying that there would be no manipulation?? I guess what you actually mean is that it's okay for there to be manipulations as long as it all happens under the hood outside of your awareness.

You always go personal when trying to make a point?

You already made this argument about the way it is will be the way it will be.
Really has little to do with the discussion at hand,we are talking about abusive Police and the powers bestowed to them. The view on government is not what we are addressing here.

Why would you be willing to give up more liberty to feel safer or imagine you are safer?

No idea what you are saying in the bolded part because the thread is on police and nothing to do with my state of being awake.

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Nah man nothing personal, sorry if it seemed like I was taking a shot at you. I respect your opinion, I was just expressing how I feel, your belief that people would just coexist peacefully if there was no law just seems incredibly naive to me. No offense but that's the sort of thing I imagine hippies were saying back in the sixties Tongue

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice ideal/dream but it simply wouldn't work in real life, humans are wretched things. Again I don't mean anything personal by any of this.