Quote from: smooth on June 16, 2016, 08:32:46 PM

Quote from: iamnotback on June 16, 2016, 02:33:41 PM

I often said this altcoin market is not for heirlooms. New ideas and goals are popping up every 3 - 6 months. Innovate or die.

The long-term Linux approach appears to be inapplicable to altcoins.

You are doing what you decry, which is trying to declare the market to be according to your perceptions or desires (all about 100x pumps and 3-6 month hype coins). Monero is doing fine after two and half yeare. Development continues, the market cap is at or near its all-time high, and even the price in Bitcoin is higher than it has been for most of if its lifetime (or another way to look at that is the weighted average of coins from their date of emission).

Monero has outlasted and outgrown hundreds of hype crap coins that came after it and it will continue to outlast most of the current crop of garbage. If you want to play the pumps as a trader, or think that you are have a particular skill set that makes you well-suited to playing crap coin launches as an organizer and hype promoter, only then would all this short term noise even matter to you.

I don't keep track of XMR. I saw something about it crashed in recent months exactly as I warned multiple times your highly censored speculation thread to take some profits when it ran up high recently. Maybe it has pulled back up, yet in that interim time ETH has made a 100X gain off the IPO price. As far as I know XMR has not yet exceeded its all time price high (of course mcap is higher because money supply has increased) right after launch perhaps due to rpietila's incessant promotion at that time. I think XMR investors have been quite frustrated to see ETH and DASH kicking its butt in terms of gains made and so out of jealousy they go attack others.

That is not to diminish the work of for example fluffypony, because that is still a lot of work and I have said he deserves what ever success Monero can muster.

Well my 1970 Radio Shack (Texas Instruments) handheld calculator might still be operating with 1 occasional user but that is irrelevant isn't it.

Yeah I suppose Monero still has some 1000s of users because Zcash isn't released yet. But the clock is ticking on that plus as other coins moves towards 100 millions of user adoption and add anonymity then why will anyone still bother with Monero. Even Steem plans to duplicate RingCT, but they probably don't understand marketing well enough to be that popular coin, although we both give them kudos on making an actually slick Reddit clone. The problem is they don't seem to understand social networks well. But they may learn fast and adapt. We'll see.

If there are any grand plans for Monero that are way beyond RingCT, then I apologize for not being aware of them. So factor my myopia on that aspect in accordingly.

Sorry if you feel I am trying to paint a false perception. That is honestly and frankly how I see it playing out. RingCT isn't even the best or only anonymity technology and the real problem is that which ever coin ends up being very popular will just add anonymity.

I am not trying to be extra callous, but I am just so tired of hearing how Mundanero will still be going 20 years from now. Hey I need a popular coin now! If Monero can't do it, then someone else will.

Btw I agree that there haven't been really serious achievements from altcoins. Ethereum is an unfinished and highly unpolished work, that doesn't yet have a killer app. The DAO is an unmitigated disaster in the making. And Dash is of course Dashtardly.

Steem appears to have good coders. If they had only consulted with me to get the marketing design right and the debasement design right. I am quite tempted to find out who their best coders are and try to approach them, but I've watched Dan so many times botch things, that I am wary. I also know what he did to Charles and I have never repeated that and never will. It is so difficult to choose a partner. I've observed Charles get kicked out of two projects.

I honestly wish I could say good luck to Monero. But some of them have berated me and been so condescending to me, that I don't think I can't wash the taste out of my mouth ever. I must admit the feeling borders on hate. I try to push it down, but it is difficult to forget the way the community treats others. The top assholes include:

Shen-noether
iCEBREAKER (and he also backed off his attacks when he saw that I really knew my shit about PL design with Keann but frankly it is already too late because I see his true colors)
(and that other guy I've forgotten his username, although he tried to be nice just before I got banned)
and various others at various times.

They probably think I am an asshurl as well. Bad blood. I will just stay away from them entirely. Thus I hope Monero fades far away from my consciousness.

It is really a horrible feeling when I hear the word Monero. And I am not the only person who feels that way. You guys killed your marketing.

That is not to say I dislike everyone who supports Monero. There are some guys there I get along with. You being one except I am kind of annoyed that you are the leader and the censor. I just pray all the animosity of it will disappear. And all the snobbishness and condescending berating. Arghh!

Ya know if anonymity was really the #1 market, I would have built a coin on my Zero Knowledge Transactions. But I realized it wasn't the good priority. There is no significant adoption, so it ends up just being a fist fight between the various camps, because no camp can really go gain an adoption market to make it clear which one is the winner.