Quote from: iamnotback on June 22, 2016, 03:49:24 PM

Readers please note that I don't have anything against Monero as an open source experiment in crypto-currency. I support their experimentation. I don't like (bordering on hate although I don't allow myself be consumed by hate) the community of Monero. And I don't support when someone writes that Monero is the only altcoin that is serious or worthy. They have not yet earned that, and if ever they do earn that, they won't need to state it because such truths are self-evident.

There is something foul smell in the community of Monero. I'd rather not try to explain what that smell is, as others have already explored that. Ethereum has its idolizing fanboiz and Monero has its delusion-of-superiority, pack-dog-attacking bagboiz. Something like that.

I am dreaming of a community that are idealistic and imaginative as are the supporters of Ethereum.

I'm wishing for a community that is well grounded in realism and does their due diligence and asks challenging questions. Yet who are not rude, disrespectful, flippant, nor wasting their time fighting back those who attack our project in other threads.

I am dreaming of a community that does not idolize any of its developers.

I am dreaming of a community that is all about production and helping to get things done. And not talking about (nor even looking at!) the price or the market cap.

I am dreaming of solving the problems of Bitcoin and Ethereum.

I am dreaming of doing this without hype, and instead methodical development.

I am dreaming of a meritocracy and an enjoyable work environment.

I am dreaming of success.

I think you guys are lurking out there. I hope I will not be wrong in my assumption.

Some munderotard will quote me:

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Edit: this post was not intended to pretend there might not already be communities in the altcoin ecosystem that have the above qualities. They may already exist. Some would probably "offer" (I accidentally wrote "throw up" but caught my Freudian slip) the names, DASH, VCASH, NEM, SHADOWCASH, etc.. Maybe so, although I might have a quibble on a few points for each of those. Any way, I am writing above about the community I would want.

I also want to offer my realization that it is highly discombobulating to ponder the level of conspiracy, fraud, hate, manipulation, etc.. in our CC ecosystems. I can't even wrap my mind around what the reality really is. There are so many competing interests and there is no way to discern what/which people are hiding and what they pretending. I've decided to stop even trying to comprehend it. I think all we can do is create something and enjoy our work. The rest will work itself out.

Some here have the vocation of speculator and all they typically care about is a good pump or dump. That is not my vocation. I can't relate to them. Some of them apparently earn a lot of $, but that isn't a sufficient motivation for me to change my vocation. I am creator. A programmer. A technologist. Etc.. I am not an arbitrage seeker. I'll leave that vocation to others and not dilute my capabilities by trying to understand them.

Quote from: lethos3 on June 22, 2016, 06:44:40 PM

Quote from: americanpegasus on June 22, 2016, 05:13:17 PM

Quote from: lethos3 on June 22, 2016, 05:00:04 PM

OP may actually be onto something: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486943

I found some interesting musing on Ethereum vulnerabilities at that link but no mention of Monero or XMR. What did I miss?

Nothing, ETH is garbage. I can't say Monero doesn't have vulnerabilities but they are not in the same fashion as ETH obscurity-by-complexity model.

Do you believe in conspiracies? I'll tell what I think about Ethereum since I watched it from the beginning, its a plot from part of the Bitcoin elite, the same that funded and nurtured with their owned outlets, that dominates the mainstream and directs the narrative naming the "villains" and whom the sheep should listen to and that promotes that bootleg of fungible currency named Zcash. Ethereum was created to slaughter as many idiot sheeps as they can, it may look like it has a purpose and utility but if you take enough time to examine it you'll find its all smoke and mirrors, some day a bitcoin aristocrat will look at the pile of smoking ruins that was ethereum and at the hundreds of thousands of USD lost and say: "oh well it was a fun experiment", turn away and laugh, while hundreds of sheep will be look at their empty pockets and wondering what happened, because thats what they like to do and thats why true innovative currencies like Monero is being ignored by the same part of the Bitcoin elite.

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486939

That has always been my assumption as well.

I figured that is why some geekcool, technobabbling, spacedout WoW teenager running it was a perfect fit.

And remember Peter Thiel awarded $100,000 scholarship to Vitalik, at the early juncture.

Note the ideas from Ethereum may not be entirely garbage. I originally thought they were, but I'm leaning otherwise now.