Quote from: aliashraf on June 24, 2016, 09:26:45 AM

Quote from: sidehack on June 23, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

I think one of the problems is, you assume I have a more firm grasp on the full meaning (and implication of that meaning) of terms like "semi-smart contract" and "SADO" than I actually do. Please explain like this is the first time the listener has ever heard those phrases. Like I said, I'm generally opposed to overlaying things not "transfer money from A to B" on the blockchain so I admittedly have ignored all discussions on that line. I put enough time into hardware without getting mixed up in philosophy.

That said, my philosophy on "money" disagrees with the statement that "money is the destination of everything". Money, to me, is a tool just like anything else. It's a construct that allows me to turn stuff into different stuff, and effort into reward. Money is not the goal, money is a means of translating work and stuff into the goal - whatever that goal may be. But yeah, most agreements or contracts do hinge on turning work into money or stuff into money, which for one side is work into money and the other side money into the goal. I've just never liked the idea of "having lots of money" being the goal in itself, because money is useless by definition if it's not being used.

About hating greed and paying no attention to money per se No objections and thumbs up 
I think the majority of people (admitting it or not) pay no shit about money and hate it, deep in their hearts but as a dirty tool money have this unique feature that can translate and measure most of the real world contracts. It is more than enough for justifying my proposal to build semi-smart contracts on top of the Bitcoin Blockchain.

It is too much for me to give a formal description of my proposal , it is premature, more a requirement than a proposal or even an idea. But Ill do my best

let's begin with a preface focusing on our (actually your) community miner project:

1-   We need funds, investments should be made.
2-   This funds should go somewhere, be kept, be accounted, be allocated and spent under a managerial decision making process.
3-   Our potential investors mainly are Bitcoin community members who
   a1.   have strategic alignment with the project goals and objectives as a community member
   a2. have ordinary interests about ROI as an ordinary investor
   b.   need and deserve to have a voice in the managerial and strategic decisions.
   c.   need transparency and accountability.
   d.   need proof of ownership and interest
4-   Our key technical staff (probably headed by you) :
   a.   should have job satisfaction in both technical and beneficial terms
   b.   should have a voice in decision making processes
   c.   need appreciation and respect, being isolated from acquisitions and arguments about conspiracy, fraud,
5-   our target market, being Bitcoin community:
   a.   needs reliable and accountable information about the state of the project
   b.   needs to have a voice on the most strategic discussions and dispute resolutions
6-   Our socioeconomic environment:
   a.   Has juristic and authoritative rights to be considered and handled properly
   b.   Generates signals and indexes and other data referenceable in the internal communications and discussions (tax tables, stock and exchange prices, electricity fees, government regulations, laws , )
7-

Most parts of this image seems not to be avant-garde and inspiring enough and surprisingly we always find ourselves bored hearing stuff like this, do you know why? Traditional institutes and greedy corporates have ruined it!
They pretend to have most of this image implemented already, a lie!
The so called management consultancy firms make hypes and advertisements about their dedication and achievements in implementing this measures, another lie!

Literally there is not and will not be a straightforward guaranteed way of achieving this level of "make all happy" scenario in a centralized organization run by a bunch of greedy elites seeking their goal functions to be optimized.

DAO failure, on the other hand proved widely it is not a trivial job to be left to the game theory enthusiasts to accomplish.
It is not just a simple failure of a piece of code, not even just the failure of teenagerism and underestimating the real world. It is the failure of the game theory approach to solving real world problems using an instrument fueled by aspiration and arrogance.

But it is about Bitcoin future, the community mining project I mean, it is about keeping Bitcoin decentralized and Bitcoin community have to do something about it.
The centralized world, corporates, governments cant do (and wouldnt do if they could) anything about it.
An ordinary traditional company cant understand the motivations and strategic parts of this business and eventually fails to become anything much far from Bitmain , Bitfury, not a chance, practically zero.

Individually, without a good establishment and investment you cant do much than what you have already done, good for you and thank you about it

, but not enough to keep Bitcoin on the rail.

So what? Surrender and give up? Absolutely not a recommended option.

Ill start another thread and will put a link here and a link to this discussion there respectively. Ill try to give some outlines and invite people to contribute. Ill try to define my intended perception of words like semi-smart contracts and Semi-Autonomous Distributed Organization, SADO.

Obviously as the term semi implies it is about a compromise between our soft and sweet dreams about implementing an exciting respected, democratic, fair, profit making institution to work and live in it, proud and satisfied, on one side, and the harsh, bitter taste of the real world, on the other side.

That is a whole lot of words - if it is anything like the DAO, count me out. I am dedicated to somehow, someway making a Community Miner. I WILL GET IT DONE - as far as expanding or somehow encompassing a smart contract or even associating the "Community Miner" with such a business plan or proposition would be a fail in my book.

I think what you have failed to read on this thread is that the purpose of this miner is to empower the little guys. Any dealings like what you are suggesting is a, well, COMPLETE SELL OUT