Quote from: Halofire on July 01, 2016, 02:42:58 PM

Quote from: crysx on June 30, 2016, 02:55:57 PM

Quote from: Halofire on June 29, 2016, 10:29:36 PM

Quote from: crysx on June 29, 2016, 06:23:52 AM

Quote from: raven78862 on June 28, 2016, 10:22:12 PM

Wow,

I am torn, and feel horrible. Embarrassed

I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday.

Soop,

First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.)

Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort*

Anyways, to prove I am Raven

~~I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links.~~ Done

Cheers!

-Raven

there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ...

soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ...

@soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ...

its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ...

there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ...

promises are made to be kept - not broken ...

@raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ...

how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ...

i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ...

i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ...

this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ...

#crysx

Reminder: Soopy is in a unique position here at OC, the arrangement was he would fix and maintain our code, and if he could (based on available time or ability), he'd provide more like Masternodes. His official title is: Consultant Developer & Technical Advisor, OP Access. This leans towards a temporary dev title along the lines of if OC code had problems, we consult soopy to fix them, OR if we wanted a feature, we could consult him to see if it would be easy or a project to incorporate, while allowing him the chance to chime in or implement those features. His "baby" is NAV, that's where he's a full dev. Other than the non-delivery on his public post promises concerning anything more than OC code maintenance, he's doing what he said he would for us.

Like you said, soopy is 'back', but it was news to (at least) me when he posted that. Soopy has not been in contact with me for a long time (months and months and months) via PM's or anywhere else, save for the public convo's in the thread for all to read. He didn't say anything prior to release about what he was doing with this new update. Frustrating, but not the end of the world but only since I saw his post quick enough to get everything updated within a enough of a timely fashion before it could reflect back on us all for not having everything updated.

I think he has too much going on (hence maybe why he mislabeled his own OC github link?), and all coins that he's involved in might/will suffer because of the lack of time he can invest per coin.

I'd just like to see someone or a team work OC. The community is not demanding a full time gig from anyone but we need more than what's been served in ways of actual development. If you wanted, you could fork it and soopy would be out -- if by chance you couldn't work together. Simple as that. No hard feelings or "digs" towards soopy when I say that either, but I'm thinking it would alleviate some of his "workload" so he could focus on his other coins, again, if you couldn't work together.

Soopy's absence isn't the driving force to finding another dev or "talent" as I often say. He wasn't meant to stay with OC forever unless he wanted to, which he had the option.

firstly - that is NOT what was pm'ed me not so long ago - and NOT what has happened ... or is it easier to quote the pms? ...

secondly - there is NEVER a time that soopy and i cannot work with each other ... i have a LOT of respect for soopy as a person and a LOT of respect for him as a dev ... as for his reliability? ... well ...

there is MUCH more to this than is publicly shown - and soopy KNOWS the extent to which he and i have dealt - and have continued to deal ... i pull NO punches - never have and never will ... i say things as i see them and will NEVER change that ... had there been an equitable system put in place - there would be no one pushing and shoving and praising ... but as there is no system in place - your suggestion of my forking the source and working on it - is a blatant misrepresentation of what WE ( raven and i ) had discussed earlier with your apparent knowledge halofire ... especially with regards to my involvement ... the time and effort and money involved in doing this RIGHT - is more than i or my team was willing to do without some form of compensation and / or affiliation or complete takeover ... THAT was the bottom line ... and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ...

which ever way this works now - it is entirely up to you all HOW you deal with this ... its no skin off my nose ... i just dont like the miscommunication AND the false representations of myself and my team - and the things that were and were NOT said ...

if soopy WANTS to work with me on this - he can ... but the garbage about him being 'just' a consultant and he could return anytime he felt and the rest of the blurb - was NEVER brought to my attention here in the thread NOR in private ...

im astounded at what has transpired ... and STILL you continue on about it all being an open discussion and praising soopy about his coming 'back' ... seriously mate! ...

i deal - and work - and make clean and DO the things i say im going to do ... so far - its simply talk - and nothing but ... so let it be just that ... and there will be no hard feelings anywhere ... but when the cookie crumbles and all is stagnant once again - just remeber this situation and what you have said and NOT said ...

im still open for discussion - but not at this level ...

@soopy - stick to what you say and what you promise mate ... too many people of the communities you deal with RELY on your word - and your word as a gentleman ...

you KNOW how i work soopy - raven and halo dont ... and ill continue to work the same as i have - and we have grown much bigger than when you first dealt with me ... deal clean - deal well ...

and much respect - to you and all that deserve it ...

#crysx

I didn't say that you can't work together, I said IF. I said that because I was getting the feeling from what you typed you won't work on OC with him because of your previous endeavors. And you aren't working with him presently in OC. You said "there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ..." which means he's not working with you or vice versa, due to whatever reason. I was trying to present OC options; an A, B, and C. 'A' being you two work together, 'B' you fork it yourself, 'C' which is the current state of a lone soopy doing his thing if you werent' coming on board.

It would be easier for you to quote PM's, because I don't think we are on the same page. Things may have changed since he came on board, nothing was made known to me.

If soopy were our full time dev, it would say Lead Dev or something to that effect. He's the one who made the current title for himself, way back when. If you didn't read the title he has on the OP that's been there since the OP was made, and didn't question it why it was like that (after he told you otherwise?), well, I don't have an answer for why you didn't come forth with that until now.

Praising soopy about him returning? I don't see any "praise" of his return from me. A 2 word "greeting"? Welcome back? My spectacular comment was about him fixing the link. I don't see where you are coming from on this.

Blatant misrepresentation of your involvement with my knowledge on the subject?? I don't know what your involvement would be. This is the only correspondence I've received from April 15, 2016 from raven about you, it's only his half of a PM convo between you two. Nothing else had been sent to me, nor spoken about.

Quote from: raven7886 on April 15, 2016, 05:52:34 PM

Wow,

that's a lot of information to soak up.

I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)

But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......

so what's the underlying question or proposition?

Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.

Cheers!

-Raven

And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx

I normally would not reveal PM's, apologies to raven, but this is to show you what I'm not involved in. There is not any sensitive info contained in the PM, hence why I feel ok with revealing the content without asking his permission.

You stated above: "and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ..." I would ask for a copy, but raven's account is lost for now, so I would need that convo from you. Again, I did not receive any of this convo except what is in the quoted PM above.

I don't know why I'm not being kept in any loops. I don't know why facts and stories aren't lining up. Things are being said differently to different people. It's all fine if things change, but let's keep the communication up. Otherwise, this happens.

Halo,

I commend you for doing that. I do not mind PMs being shared as long as they are relevant to the conversation also if they don't entail too much information. In this case it is fine.

Thank you,

On another note from reading,

@Crysx you're right I do not know how you work... And I mean no offense when I say this then:

From the Moment you entered the conversation\thread you have been slamming and pissed off at something. Let's put that aside and start anew.

Any talent we can grasp, will be better for all of us as a whole.

I OPENLY Communicated that I wanted you to be onboard because the way you explained it to me was you have experience with Developing and maintaining systems, again talent. It is always nice when you have a fresh set of eyes as well to not just oversee but to partake in the project and implement change.

Again I mean no offense, those words were not aimed to cause harm in anyway shape or form. Just an observance.

@Halo: The only thing Crysx and I talked about was trying to see what he wanted in return for working with us on OC. And how to contact each other via skype or what have you.

Back to the subject at hand:

I wish I could get some more PMs for everyone. But yes there are Three options currently and we are still at square one. Let's leave the sandbox and play like adults FORREAL, and leave the sandbox to devvies. All of this complaining about whom and what will just drive people away as then we are seen as childish, as a group.

Just my two OCs

Cheers!

-Raven

Edited for Punctuation