Quote from: Phionic on July 07, 2016, 05:26:23 AM

Quote from: kiklo on July 07, 2016, 01:26:11 AM

Quote from: Phionic on July 06, 2016, 09:25:14 AM

Quote from: r0ach on June 29, 2016, 06:30:37 PM

Here's a riddle for the Anonymizer:

It's inevitable that an alias system would be developed for any successful cryptocurrency. The alias system would de-anonymize transactions of even the most perfect system because...that's what it's designed to do by voluntary compliance. But, governments would then mandate all transactions be routed through the alias system or you're considered to be a criminal launderer. So it seems no matter what type of cryptocurrency you develop, you will be forced to use the government scaffolding alias system regardless, which transforms the cryptocurrency into an entirely different thing than what it's designed as.

Which is how we arrive at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JgvkWRSq7Q&feature=youtu.be&t=47m33s

But with Monero my snoopy neighbors won't be able to see what I'm doing while with Bitcoin they will. What you're describing is at least no worse than the current system. I'd count preserving the status quo as a victory of sorts considering the alternatives.

Unless you give your Neighbors your BTC address or transactions opID, they can't tell what you are doing with BTC either. Tongue

Or
If they are really nosy, they will just place a keyboard and screen logger on your PC while you're at work, and then no matter what you use they will know it. Huh

Only real solution is that you have to move away from those neighbors. Tongue

FYI:
Are they sleeping with your wife too?

Dumb example maybe but we're talking about everyone having to use a registered alias, if people know it they can track you and everyone you transact with will know it.

What you want is true anonymity, which can not be achieved with any online crypto.
Even with BTC you could generate only 1 address to be used with 1 individual, the problem comes with registration requirements.
Even if monero code is not cracked in time, just using it's wallet shows your IP address , which can be directly back traced to you.
Tor is a joke designed by the US Navy, there is a backdoor it will not protect your IP address from discovery.

Here is what happens , some major crime occurs, The FBI or Interpol or Joint Operations , check every single IP attached to a Monero wallet ,
including exchanges , and force the exchanges to hand over IP logs and any email address or real names attached to said IP for a given time frame.
Even if you used Tor, they use their backdoor to track your real IP and show up at your apartment.
Now you know you did not commit the crime so you give them every view key you have so they can double check it and clear your name.
So now the Government agencies now have every single piece of data from every transaction (basically a Digital DNA of you ) and later you receive an audit from the tax agency for unreported income. Tongue

Problem with Monero is Government Compliance is built in with the View Keys , which will be required by some new law otherwise you will be branded a criminal.

For True Anon,
No IP address, No Location with Cameras, No Locations that Satellites can view, basically no identifiable information on you or the vehicles you arrived in.
Even your Appearance must be disguised,
CIA version is a Patsy's identifiable information is used, and they kill the poor guy at the end of the OP without paying him or reclaiming the payment so there is no record.

Heck Monero , won't even stop your neighbors from knowing about those dirty magazines you get in the mail that come in brown paper bags from Big Butts & Long Legs Magazine if your Mail Man has a big mouth.

Cool

FYI:
The real problem is that the people of the world allow Gov registration requirements and define logs be kept.
Until those laws are changes to remove required registration , True Anon is a Pipe Dream for Online activities.
Offchain Transactions where someone has covered their tracks and destroy the history tracking them , is the closest way possible to achieve True Anon.

FYI2:
Funny Tip , when connected to anything Online, did you Spoof your network card's physical address, or leave the one that is default.
If you left the default, that physical address is stored in a database where anyone can see the make model & serial number of that PC.
Oh and you purchased your PC with a credit card which can be cross referenced with that serial number.
See the game is rigged against true anon, on levels most never even conceive. Tongue

You can thank j edgar hoover for starting this insanity.