Quote from: EpyxZ on July 10, 2016, 05:52:11 PM

Quote from: JewelsProject on July 10, 2016, 09:18:34 AM

It's not pay to win in the slightest. The ability to spend money on a game to purchase visual changes that don't affect the power balance completely fits the free to play model. For example, League of Legends which sells skins (cosmetics; exactly the same concept) is not pay to win.

Any game that has items that can be obtained through cash purchase is p2p. pay 2 win does not have to be something that gives you an advantage. pay 2 win is any item that is obtainable by purchasing with real money only.

Not everyone plays games to kill people/build stuff/run around. Some people play games for what they can customize on there character etc. So adding cash only visual items makes it pay 2 win for someone who plays for the cool customization's.

Any game that allows an item to be purchased for real world money is pay 2 win.

While you're entitled to your own opinion, let me clarify some standard terms used in the gaming communities.

p2p: Refers to peer to peer interactions
Pay to win: Refers to an element in the game that allows you to buy gear or equipment which allows your items/character better than others making gameplay largely unbalanced for people who have skill, but do not pay.

By these definitions a game such as League of Legends (and Apex) is not considered pay to win. However as previously stated, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however I'd urge you to try the game yourself without spending a dime and you'll quickly realize just from playing the game, or conversing with players skill is a large factor in how good you are at the game not how much money you've dumped into it.