Quote from: proff on February 24, 2013, 12:39:29 PM

Now, I indeed remember the original ripple web-of-trust proposal being as gmaxwell described. The "new" system seems to be something else, and I echo people's concerns expressed in this thread and do not see how they have been resolved to any satisfaction. It may be unintentional on the part of the ripple developers, but something seems fishy or opaque about it (at least at this point in time), and it looks like a commercial rather than a community project.

+1. Excellent summary of the situation.

I find it near impossible to discuss this matter transparently with Joel.

Joel Katz: "I am prohibited from disclosing my opinion about XRP's future value."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144471.msg1554983#msg1554983)

This is not a joke, and while some people love to suck up to power authority, most bitcoiners in this forum are smart enough to recognize a rotten egg.

Joel, I recommend to you whole wholeheartedly to either expose your commercial intentions, or commit to altering and democratizing the txn solution at hand; otherwise you will be building a ticking time bomb. You won't end up controlling 50%+ market share but you know what they say: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Don't set yourself up for failure.

From a true open source and decentralized democratized point of view, the idea of centralized txn authority is ridiculous. If this is the "only viable solution" you should either be opening up the platform to multiple fiat currencies so that users can create their own and there is a competitive free market amongst txn fee operators, or define a rock solid democratic distribution plan of all the XRP.

Yet as I find the idea of an unsustainable self destructive txn fee currency a horrible idea akin to building on sand, the focus should be on disconnecting any value system from this txn fee mechanism, and focusing on proof of work as a security measure; or allow the network node operators to have a choice of what currency they prefer be paid as a txn mechanism.

I realize this is a technical challenge but my intention is to open the debate and make sure you are open to change, otherwise I and others will fork our efforts towards bitcoin web of trust enhancement and your "ripple + get rich quick scheme" will bite the dust.

You are clearly smart enough to know that we would realize this "necessary design flaw" as an overly greedy excuse on your part for power and control; therefore your downplaying of the issue leads me to believe your actions are highly strategic and premeditated. If you truly want to succeed with your efforts and with this community your veil of secrecy and prohibited dialog needs to end.

Joel, please do not take my comments as hostile or personal. I really want ripple to succeed, and I'm simply pointing out the elephant in the room.