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1. When you said you bought your asics would be ready in early December? That happened?

Not a scam - that's called a delay. It happens in risky startup engineering ventures.

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2. 2012/11/27 Tom announces the first delay. My last purchase you entered the first shipment was 2012/11/23 (http://goo.gl/itHPS). You think that at that time, Tom did not know there would be a delay?

That still doesn't make him a scammer.

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3. You think that since the closure of the first shipping orders was a significant decrease in the number of sales? You think that's because for the people was very important to the shipping date? With true information sales would have been lower?

That still doesn't make him a scammer.

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4. In a project of this size. If only missing two weeks should be 95% done. You think that happened? You think that Tom knew the delay, long before announcing it?

That still doesn't make him a scammer.

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Quote from: cablepair on October 27, 2012, 02:10:38 AM

my wife and I and our oldest son have been working long days to get this place ready.

Tom, 31 years (http://goo.gl/vSmYH) can have a son old enough to work? You may Cablepair/Tom, not the same person as Thomas Van Riper? Someone has known personally?

That still doesn't make him a scammer. You're reading way too much into this statement.

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6. It is normal for a businessman who moved hundreds of thousands of dollars. Advertise a sale of the company and a second delay while drunk?

Inappropriate, but doesn't make him a scammer.

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7. Because Tom has not explained what happened with CAN-ELECTRIC?

That still doesn't make him a scammer. It probably means he is busy processing refunds, since those are constantly being reported (see Fefox's post from last night).

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8. Because Tom has not explained the refund process?

What's complex about it? Chargeback your credit card or request a refund and wait - that's it. I just explained it for you.

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9. Because Tom has not explained what the Asian company that wanted to buy the project from Tom?

He didn't have to divulge it at all, but he did. That still doesn't make him a scammer.

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10. Because Tom has disappeared and gives no explanation?

Obviously he was overwhelmed by stress associated with the project. He's also processing refunds as of yesterday, so I'd hardly call that "disappearing." That still doesn't make him a scammer.

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11. The Tom ASICs were real? There is evidence, pictures, documents, videos? Tom built something? 10%, 20%, 50%, 80%, 99%?

If I recall, the design phase for the chip was at some stage of completion. Perhaps you could put in an offer to buy the company from whoever owns it currently.

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12. I did not want to give me my money. I wanted my asics in December, although it could accept a delay until January.

So you cancelled your order once January came? Then why are you whining?

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13. Believe that the change in price of bitcoins has benefited Tom?

And if they would have dropped in value... ? That still doesn't make him a scammer.

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14. Those who have received refunds in bitcoins. They think they would have more or less money if they had the bitcoins in your wallet?

So, the unit was priced in DOLLARS. Why is that so hard to understand? You will be refunded in DOLLARS. Yes, had you speculated you could have made a profit, but if BTC was $5 right now, you'd want your refund in dollars.

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15. I keep in bitcoins leftover money to buy basics. Also I keep the bitcoins mined later.

That's great, champ. That still doesn't make him a scammer.

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16. I made a bet in less than six months would get more bitcoins, that I spend on basics. I do not bet, money back with bitcoins months later with a new price. I was not responsible for Tom incompetence.

You were an investor in a very risky business. Many people in your situation receive absolutely nothing back and don't complain about it.

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17. I have my bitcoins committed to Tom, I had the option to buy asics at other companies.

This is called "putting all your eggs in one basket."

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18. I requested my refund on the night of 13 to 14 January. A few days after I value bitcoins Dave at $ 15. With that price I already lost bitcoins. Tom waited without consulting a price more beneficial for him. Why have not I received my bitcoins?

Because you're on a very long list of people waiting for bitcoin refunds (Fefox was order # 8xx, and if you ordered in November, yours is MUCH higher).

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19. I don't understand why people thank Tom, after that will return less than 50% of their bitcoins.

Again, see the definitions of investment and risk and bankruptcy. He didn't have to return anything.

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20. To finish the last question. In September / October / November, without knowing the price changes of bitcoins. But knowing all that would happen to Tom had made the purchase? Why?

I don't understand this.

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The problem is not the price change of bitcoins. The problem is Tom.

Oh so now numbers 18, 19, 16, and 14 don't matter?

Yes it sucks you're having to wait so long for a refund, but you took the risk to push out to January 13/14 when there were quite a few signals that things were turning south before then. The drunk post apparently didn't scare you away - that was around the 8th as I recall. Since you cite that above as "proof he's a scammer," why didn't you pull your chips out at that time?

Let me see if I have this correct. Matthew received the scammer tag because he caused people to directly and indirectly lose money, yet didn't profit a single satoshi from his ill-fated bet. But, another guy who also has caused people to lose money directly and indirectly, and even is now profiting via refunding with deflated coins, doesn't merit the same tag.

I don't get it!