Quote from: Minecache on August 08, 2016, 03:01:14 PM

Quote from: yhomega on August 08, 2016, 02:08:44 PM

Interesting!

Alex Van de Sande speaks out on the white hats funds.

Hopefully this draws a line under these rather distasteful demands of the ETC criminal coin supporters:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wnn3k/alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_rest_of_the_robin/d68wfen

This is very interesting and i have updated the original thread with a link to this reddit post.
I respect Alex Van De Sande for speaking out and giving clarity of the situation( finally).
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I wouldn't call myself part of the Robin Hood Group, not because Im afraid of legal consequences or ashamed of it, but because I dont think Im worthy of that title. The guys who made the DAO counter attack were able to create attack vectors much more sophisticated than the original attacker developed, and created new ways to twist it so that the original attacker couldnt counterattack. They set up active running scripts that at some point were constantly draining the dao to 1 wei, to capture any ether the attacker sent to the DAO to set up a new attack. I would never be able to do any of this. While I did a small part in helping the original counterattack, Ive also been told that since the first attack most of the original group splintered and only a few kept pushing forward. I havent participated since that day, I dont control any of the private keys to any relevant addresses, I had recent contact with them, but since the main goal was accomplish I dont intend to keep contact and I certainly dont want to be seen as their spokeperson for the next step..
Also, even the small part I did, I acted as an individual, not as part of the Ethereum Foundation. I never told Vitalik about my plans and when Ming, the Executive Director, asked me about it I refused to tell her, so that the Foundation wouldnt be in any way implicated or active in this.
Last time I spoke to the White Hat Group about the status they had told me the attacker was able to run off with a big part of the funds and while they had recently won some battles, the funds were far from secure as they were still aware of possible attacks which is why I didnt want to make any public comment on that matter, otherwise the attention could jeopardize this whole thing. IMHO part of the reason they were more successful now was because the DAO had less value and was under a lot less scrutiny since the fork, I doubt such attack would be successful had the fork not taken place.
Before you guys talk about what they are going to do with the funds, notice that this group had absolutely no obligation to keep doing what they were doing, yet kept doing it anyway. They worked hard for the fork to happen because they wanted all the DAO investors to be made whole and they accomplished that but then the Ethereum Classic community made its central tenet that such a solution was morally wrong and we were all corrupt for doing it. The blackhat hacker tried their best to ruin any chance of counterattack, negotiation or ceasefire) yet Ive seen posts in this community comparing them to Satoshi Nakamoto. These guys have done what no one else was willing or capable to do, yet they are constantly harassed and whenever I read a question about the White Hat Groups ETC funds, the first answers usually mention lawsuits or assume malice on their part. I wonder how many DAO token holders today are even the same people who believed the original vision and participated on the launch and how many tokens are currently held simply by people who wanted to buy them for a chance of an arbitrage opportunity. Now, of course, this doesnt represent the full community, Ive been in contact with people from the Classic mod team that are trying to change the tone, but my recent experiences on this community haven't helped to change my opinion on it.
To make it completely clear, while I appreciate the irony that the same people who claimed the Dark attacker was the rightful owner because code is law are asking the opposite of the white hat attackers, I dont endorse this idea: my understanding has always been that they would do their best to give the money back to the community, otherwise they would be no better than the black hat.
I do not know what they intend to do now and I learned that the recovery was successful via reddit like everyone else. While I believe they have the best intentions they are also at risk for a lot of legal troubles and costs. On a personal note Ive lended them DAO tokens for the attack, which I havent seen since. Ill be asking them for the eth-dao to be returned, but Im donating the etc-dao to them.
My main point is this, they could have washed their hands of all this the day of the fork and let it all be taken by the thieves you applauded. If anything is ever recovered its all due to the tireless work of these people. So instead of constantly debating how much the white hats owe you, ask yourself how much you owe the white hats.
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My thoughts on the sentence highlighted in red

They deserve a carrot only IF they return the funds - NOT 18 Million dollars of DAO holders ETC.