Quote from: CoinCube on August 19, 2016, 08:39:38 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 19, 2016, 01:32:28 PM

You are wrong. ALL laws and things are determined and fixed. There is no such thing as chance. There is only ignorance of the operations of the universe because of our extremely limited abilities.

For example. When a leaf on a tree is swaying and turning in the breeze, why is it moving as it is? There are billions of molecules of air bumping against the leaf (and each other) in ways that make the leaf move. There are billions of tiny heat energy waves playing on the molecules of air and on the leaf in billions of patterns. How many of these molecules and heat waves can we track to determine how they are working on the leaf and why they are working like they are? Exactly zero! Yet they all work perfectly, according to fixed laws of the universe. Everything in the universe works the same - cause and effect. Yet we understand and track such a small amount of it that we really don't understand the whys and wherefores of anything.

The closest we come to chance is when God goes back to the beginning, and tweaks some of the way He set up cause and effect laws in creation. And He does this to match the faith that people have in Him (or against Him), all according to the purposes He has for making the universe in the first place.

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Maybe, but maybe not. Such a line of reasoning tends to lead one to a view of the universe that is entirely mechanistic and that humans have no free will only the illusion of choice. I do not believe this to be the case. My senses and my experience tells me that I have free will and the ability to shape myself and my destiny. There is much we do not understand about ourselves especially about consciousness. Since we have little to no comprehension of how our own awareness functions we cannot say that such an awareness is bound by cause and effect.

Quote from: CoinCube on March 25, 2016, 04:30:26 PM

I have provided metaphysics that define what is necessary for free will Kant's noumenal self outside of time. Such a self is free because it is causally undetermined.

I have provided information on emperic and reproducable scientific experiments. Delayed choice quantum eraser experiments show that quantum phenomona can operate outside of what we traditionally think of as time and causal sequence.

I have provided robust scientific theory (Orch objective reduction) that argues consciousness is grounded in these same quantum phenomona that have been shown to operate outside of traditional time and causality.

Obviously from my stated conclusion I believe the Orch OR theory to be true. However this is not a question of metaphysics but one of science.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188

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the Orch OR scheme has so far stood the test of time better than most other schemes, and it is particularly distinguished from other proposals by the many scientifically tested, and potentially testable, ingredients that it depends upon.

From this one can conclude that current emperic scientific theory supports the existance of Kant's noumenal self which is required for free will. Free will is thus entirely consistent with modern science and undeniably possible. If Orch OR theory holds up under further and in depth emperic testing I would argue that free will becomes overwhelmingly probable.

Quote from: CoinCube on March 25, 2016, 01:02:01 PM

Delayed choice quantum eraser experiments tell us that certain quantum phenomena operate outside of what we traditionally think of as time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser

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Delayed choice experiments raise questions about time and time sequences, and thereby bring our usual ideas of time and causal sequence into question.[note 1] If events at D1, D2, D3, D4 determine outcomes at D0, then effect seems to precede cause. If the idler light paths were greatly extended so that a year goes by before a photon shows up at D1, D2, D3, or D4, then when a photon shows up in one of these detectors, it would cause a signal photon to have shown up in a certain mode a year earlier. Alternatively, knowledge of the future fate of the idler photon would determine the activity of the signal photon in its own present. Neither of these ideas conforms to the usual human expectation of causality.

Orch OR theory posits that conscious arises from quantum computations in brain microtubules.
As noted by Kant in his model of a noumenal self free will requires a true self that is independent of time.
Grounding consciousness in quantum mechanics provides this independence.

Quote from: CoinCube on March 25, 2016, 02:58:29 AM

Consciousness in the universe: A review of the Orch OR theory
By Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188

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The Orch OR theory proposes quantum computations in brain microtubules account for consciousness.
Microtubule quantum channels in which anesthetics erase consciousness are identified.
Evidence for warm quantum vibrations in brain microtubules is cited.
Interference of microtubule vibrations are beat frequencies seen as EEG.
Orch OR links consciousness to processes in fundamental spacetime geometry.

Abstract
The nature of consciousness, the mechanism by which it occurs in the brain, and its ultimate place in the universe are unknown. We proposed in the mid 1990's that consciousness depends on biologically orchestrated coherent quantum processes in collections of microtubules within brain neurons, that these quantum processes correlate with, and regulate, neuronal synaptic and membrane activity, and that the continuous Schrödinger evolution of each such process terminates in accordance with the specific DiósiPenrose (DP) scheme of objective reduction (OR) of the quantum state. This orchestrated OR activity (Orch OR) is taken to result in moments of conscious awareness and/or choice. The DP form of OR is related to the fundamentals of quantum mechanics and spacetime geometry, so Orch OR suggests that there is a connection between the brain's biomolecular processes and the basic structure of the universe. Here we review Orch OR in light of criticisms and developments in quantum biology, neuroscience, physics and cosmology. We also introduce a novel suggestion of beat frequencies of faster microtubule vibrations as a possible source of the observed electro-encephalographic (EEG) correlates of consciousness. We conclude that consciousness plays an intrinsic role in the universe.

Quote from: CoinCube on March 26, 2016, 03:39:19 AM

Some Primary References:

Metaphysics of free will and life
https://thewinnower.com/papers/3497-reconceptualizing-the-metaphysical-basis-of-biology-a-new-definition-based-on-deistic-teleology-and-an-hierarchy-of-organizing-entities
http://praxeology.net/kant4.htm

Quantum phenomona can operate outside of what we traditionally think of as time and causal sequence
http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.84.1
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v353/n6344/abs/353507b0.html

Consciousness may be grounded in the same quantum phenomona that have been shown to operate outside of traditional time and causality
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23567633
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/apl/102/12/10.1063/1.4793995

People view things how they want.

God is a loving God Who has a whole bunch of reasons why to do things this way and that. When He tweaks all things from the beginning just to match the faith of some, He does it in perfection and righteousness, both for His benefit and for the people and their benefit.

People feel they have choices. They act like they have choices. And by "manipulating" God through their faith in Him, or lack thereof, they express their choices through the cause and effect changes that God makes.

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