Quote from: ClownSpider on August 20, 2016, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: Senor.Bla on August 20, 2016, 08:29:52 PM

Quote from: ClownSpider on August 20, 2016, 08:07:43 PM

Quote from: HCP on August 20, 2016, 01:43:10 PM

I think the OP may need to put a little less "conspiracy sugar" in his morning coffee.

The "big institutions" can create all the blockchains they want with all the taxes and government oversight they want... and the various governments of the world can do the same... and everyone can feel free to ignore them and continue using Bitcoin (or whatever new and improved cryptocurrency that comes along) that remains decentralised and without the taxes etc.

AGREED!
The op is stupid.
Nobody will use any other crypto currency as widely accepted as Bitcoin because the services, vendors, relators, beepi.com overprice.com godaddy.com purse.io (thus amazon.com), and point of sale services do not exist for other crypto currency! So Others will not grow or be used.

If others are taxed or controlled by government, then that is MORE reason people will stay with bitcoin and NOT adopt the others. No matter what the government says, they cannot stop bitcoin anymore than they can pass laws to stop the sale of Alcohol or drugs. Those still sell and sold when illegal. Right or wrong, they sell.

All these people are stupid if they think there can be a tax on bitcoin, or if they think the NSA can track everyones bitcoin down to the exact owner or how much they had.

Simply because anyone can open a bitcoin wallet at any moment, anonymously, keeps bitcoin anonymous if someone puts any half ass effort into it.

I have over 102 bitcoin right this moment, so unless these idiots have more than me, maybe they should shut up with all their idiot talk.

that is a strong argument. you have more bitcoins then me, so you must be smarter then me.
so it should be easy for you to explain me one simple thing.
at some point you will want to use your bitcoin, because if you do not, then what is the point in having them.
let us say you want to buy a car. how do you do that?
with your real name? a fake one? or maybe even anonymous?
how do you explain to the government where this car is from and how you paid for it?
because if you can not explain it, they will have to assume you are involved in some kind of crime.

Hello and thank you. I accept that complement.
1. How to buy a car? Go to Beepi.com They accept bitcoin, give you a free squishy toy car, phone mount, pen, and 2 thermal cups with every car purchase as advertisement swag. They also do all of the paperwork for you, registration, license plate, and will get you car insurance. It is like a 5 star service with a concierge. They will deliver your car to you with a big blue bow on the hood. Also I notice they detail the living crap out of the car so it is spotless when you recieve it. The car warranty from them is about 6 months, but you get a manufacturers warranty as well, because they don't sell any cars over 60k miles. So it is safe to assume all cars on Beepi are decent, and new enough to have the origional warranty in MOST cases.
2. Real name? Obviously. lol
3. Fake name? Or Anonymous? (I will count those as the same thing, same question). Yes of course.
Get yourself an LLC, register it yourself for $50 state fee from New Mexico. NOT California because they are $600+ per year! NM is $50 one time, $0 yearly, and zero yearly tax, zero yearly reporting requirement. Legalzoom.com will sell you a registered agent service. Every LLC must have a street address (not PO box) for legal papers to be served incase of a law suit. (the main purpose of an LLC is to protect against a law suit). For $150 per year (you only need to pay once, and may abandon the service.) you will have legal zoom provide one of their Corporations to act as your "registered agent" representative of your LLC to answer the door, receive mail and forward any mail for your LLC to you.
You will only care about that and only need that once, or a few times so 1 year is more than enough time for you to receive the NM LLC certificate, and your car insurance, registration and title paperwork in the mail sent to that address.
They will then forward the mail to you or your PO box, or your hotel, or your cousin's friend's uncle's baby mama's house.

Then you have a car purchased with bitcoin, registered to an LLC, under a registered agent's address who isnt you, who forwards your mail anywhere you tell them.

4. If the government asks you where the car is from. Who are you? You are the person driving the car. Tell them it is a company car. A Limited Liability Corporation vehicle. It belongs to the LLC, not you. So that is not for you to know. They can ask the LLC. The LLC of course will not reply without a lawyer or at all. Because the LLC doesn't give a fuck about taxes, back taxes or anything else. If the IRC wants to tax the state of New Mexico which may or may not have received yearly or quarterly tax information and payments... they can take that up with NM who does not have a yearly reporting requirement. If the IRS manages to get NM to do anything and NM sends a mean letter to your registered agent, and if you bother to receive mail at that point, and someone wants taxes... it will be 5 years before any legal action is taken against the LLC. By then expect to lose by default because you will not care. And you will have simply transferred the car to another person or LLC years ago because if you do all of this, it is because you have enough money to go buy a NEW car and have no interest in driving a 5 year old car. Or if you keep it, you changed it to yet another LLC within 5 years. The IRS issue wins, and the LLC has no assets to be seized or sold. The old LLC is abandon or dissolved. Pro tip, you may add a dissolve date to the LLC at the time you create the LLC.

LLCs are what EVERY business uses to register a vehicle.
As an American it is your duty NOT to pay taxes that fund issues you do not support.
But you must lie to the stupid poor people that incorrectly think it is the law to pay taxes. Otherwise they will annoy you.

well, you have made some interesting points and maybe this would even work. but i am not going to find out. once for lack of bitcoins in this quantity, but also as i see the potential to fuck up at one point, so i rather do not take the risk. if you think i am stupid because of that, then this is fine with me. but i know i would live with the constant fear of making a mistake and i guess i would need to move a lot (or is there a different system for a house/flat?).
there are clever ways to minimize the taxes you pay, but your solution is one step to far for me. maybe if i would have bitcoins by the thousands i would be more appealing to me.