Quote from: game-protect on August 24, 2016, 01:33:20 AM

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

But, to answer your questions: Betcoin changed their terms...

You are lying...

Betcoin has no legally binding agreement, as I already explained to you several times!

Betcoin has also no Terms of Service, because the contract partners and the applicable jurisdiction is missing.

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

...to comply with the terms that Betsoft clarified

You are lying...

Betsoft has no terms, there are no terms stated at their website.

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

to negate future misinterpretations....

You are lying...

There are no misinterpretations possible!

It is clearly stated:

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betsoft.com

Features: 5 jackpot symbols on max bet wins the JACKPOT!

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

...they didn't have to give you anything.

You are lying...

They owe him the jackpot!

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

Should they have not clarified the rules so others could fall subject to the same conflict?

Rules of a slot have to be stated directly at the paytable of that game. Stating rules of a certain game in the juridical not valid general Terms of Service section is not in accordance with consumer protection laws.

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

Your claim was that you should've won the jackpot on the "freespin" because they never said that it wasn't possible. The "real" question here is whether or not a "freespin" can be interpreted as "maximum bet spin."

You are lying...

The only relevant question is, was it 5 jackpot symbols on max bet?

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

It is obvious that "freespin" wasn't intended to imply "max bet spin" because it wasn't coded into the software or the jackpot would've dropped.

You are lying...

There is nothing stated that implies that "freespin" max bets would be not considered as max bets!

If you interact with anonymous criminals, a jackpot not dropping means nothing at all.

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

Your problem was with the interpretation of the rules....not that you had won the jackpot and they didn't pay you.

You are lying...

The rules are clearly stated: 5 jackpot symbols on max bet wins the JACKPOT!

He 100% sure and clear won the jackpot. There is no way Betcoin or Betsoft would win this case at a court.

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

Betcoin has to comply with the rules of the Betsoft game; they don't have the power to change Betsoft's rules, even if they wanted to change them.

This is correct. The rules of the game are stated in the paytable and as the Betsoft games are running on the Betsoft servers, Betcoin can not change them, even if they wanted to change them.

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

You didn't win the jackpot...

You are lying...

He 100% sure and clear won the jackpot. See above...

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

...but they paid you something out of their own pocket because of the confusion.

Ahh, good to know that Betcoin or Betsoft pay something out of their pocket, as soon as there is confusion. So instead of trying to win, simple create confusion to fill your pockets. LMAO Cheesy

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

That jackpot is not the casino's to give away, it belongs to the players who contributed to it...

You are lying...

As soon as a player made the bet, he is no longer the owner of the contribution. If, according to your lie, the contributions would still belong to them, then they could demand them back at any time...

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

...and it would've been wrong for them to give it to you because everybody else who contributed to it, and played by the rules, would've been wronged and could've made their own claim.

It is wrong to give the jackpot to the winner? But it is correct to put the jackpot into the pockets of the criminal operators, right?

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

There are numerous reasons why "freespin" and "max bet spin" have different meanings

You are lying...

The paytable did not differentiate between max bet and "freespin" max bet!

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

One has to do with the contributions the two add to the jackpot,...

How much do "freespin" max bets add to the jackpot? And where is the proof of how much they contribute?

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

...another has to do with how taxes are kept and reported, and so forth.

You are lying...

Anonymous criminals do not pay taxes, especially Bitcoin only sites. LMAO Cheesy

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

Should non-contributing spins qualify....etc.

Where is it stated that "freespin" max bets do not contribute?

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

All of these factors must be taken into account when deciding if the term "free" is synonymous with the term "maximum."

Yes, If you won max bets, then they are synonymous with the term "maximum".

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

The rules clearly stated that only "max bet spins" qualify....and "freespin" does not fall under the definition of a "max bet spin."

You are lying...

Max bet "freespins" of course fall under the definition of "max bet spin". They are "free" for you because you won them, but they are still max bets, obviously.

Quote from: cjmoles on August 23, 2016, 08:00:11 PM

Yes, I can see how it can be confusing because the "freespin" was triggered as the result of a "max bet spin" and that's why they clarified the language, but considering all the factors involved in differentiating the two terms, it's obvious that "freespin" was never meant to be interpreted as a "max bet spin."

You are lying...

The rules are clearly stated: 5 jackpot symbols on max bet wins the JACKPOT!

And there was no differentiation of the kind of the max bets. Roll Eyes

I would not deposit one cent to a site that pays liars to lie!

Dude, you're a thief and liar....nobody would want to play with you anyway. And, if your university taught you that "max" and "free" were synonyms, then I'd start thinking about suing them instead of burning honest people out of their income.

"The rules are clearly stated: '5 jackpot symbols on max bet wins the JACKPOT!'" <--- where does that clearly state that 5 jackpot symbols on a freespin wins the jackpot? I think that it states that "5 yachts on a max bet spin wins the jackpot." So, who's lying? "Free" does not have the same meaning as "maximum."