Quote from: BitterTea on June 02, 2011, 03:08:45 PM

Why don't you give your money to a cause that will actually help people, rather than a surveillance state war monger (no better than Bush)?

Ahh you mean like the Tides Foundation, or the Joyce Foundation, or the Brady Campaign...yes I have been considering donating toward causes that advocate social change. And yes I know that Obama is simply BushLite, but he is a far better choice than anything the Reich Wing is going to put up. If Obama was 1/10th the liberal he is portrayed to be then America would have single payer health care by now, like the rest of the 1st world.

Quote from: Bimmerhead on June 02, 2011, 04:53:43 PM

Quote from: Lupus_Yonderboy on June 02, 2011, 01:34:25 PM

Actually there is a sweet irony there, but you probably missed that.

Do you mean the part where you called anti-government types 'hypocrites'?

Do elucidate.

The irony is indeed truly wasted...nevermind.

Quote from: MacFall on June 02, 2011, 05:29:02 PM

I don't think this guy has the slightest clue what libertarians actually believe. I find that very few critics of libertarians do. Protip: libertarianism is an ethical philosophy in opposition to initiatory force. Start there and do some logic.

I know what they believe in theory. In practice they tend to be gun toting assholes whose world outlook is "Got mine, fuck you", which they justify with an ethical philosophy they call 'Libertarianism'.

Quote from: Insti on June 02, 2011, 08:58:13 PM

Quote from: Lupus_Yonderboy on June 02, 2011, 01:01:21 PM

The guys with many thousands of Bitcoins who jump on anyone who suggests another block chain or Bitcoin 2.0, etc...

Can you link to any specific examples of this?
All I recall reading are messages pointing out why differing blockchain philosophies are undesirable but they are still encouraging people to try and create their crazy alternate lock chains. No one other than namecoin actually has though.

I cannot, and I concede the point on not being able to take the time to sift through the many posts that happen on this board daily. Perhaps I got those threads mixed up with the ones calling for the early adopters to give up their fortunes, which I absolutely do NOT advocate. If the early adopters can reap great rewards for their work, more power to them.

Bitcoin 1.0 will fail. The only question is when the powers that be will break out the banhammer and how many they get in the intial sweep. I think sites like Dwolla and MtGox will be the first to go. As I said, exchanges will always be a central point of failure. Having multiple exchanges does little to mitigate things. Even if you had a 100 exchanges in different countries across the globe they could still mount near simultaneous strikes on all of them, and honestly, the Bitcoin economy can only support a few robust exchanges.

In the meantime, I happily sell what I mine and keep the market liquid. When the music stops and this game of musical chairs ends, I intend to have a majority of my holdings in fiat currency. As much you anti-government idealogues want to believe, those in power will never give up that power without bloodshed, and since they own the armies and police forces, they will win, every time. It may not be just, or fair, or right, or whatever, but that is the way it is. I give it a year on the outside before the first arrests happen.

Oh, and if you actually think you can win in court...then you've probably never been through the legal system. For those in the US, imagine your attorney attempting to explain Bitcoin to 12 'average' Americans...ones that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. This will be after the massive PR campaign to demonize Bitcoin.

Anyhow I have spent way too much time and resources on this post. I have been posting here under other monikers for a few months now. I usually do not discuss politics as that may inhibit business transactions, but in this case I could not resist so I created this name. I must admit that I get massive lulz from transferring wealth from Libertarians to liberal causes.

@OP: I sincerely apologize for the thread derailment. It was not my intent and this entire discussion should be in the political forum.