Quote from: iotatoken on August 30, 2016, 02:46:36 PM

Quote from: yumei on August 30, 2016, 02:00:40 PM

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Everyone knows communication isn't the main skill of the team. Now please stop whinning everywhere (this will not change anything to your loss) and move on.

You are right about it, but afterwards being called "stupid" repeatedly from another guy calling himself IOTAtoken - David Sønstebø, Co-founder of IOTA, gives me the urge to warn other people from their ignorance and dourness.

False. Our communication is 100% blunt precisely because it's the only way to get things across. I know people with little experience think that you should be polite and understanding in all situations, but the thing is that then we'd get absolutely NOTHING done.

And calling you stupid is just an observation, its not an ad hominem, you randomly sent over 5000 dollars to someone you had no idea who were within 5 minutes of entering the chat, without doing ANY attempt at verifying anything. That is objectively stupid, it has nothing to do with insulting or making fun of you. How your fuckup translates into us being ignorant is a bigger mystery than quantum superpositions.

You are ignorant because:
1. You did not read my chat conversation with the scammer, it was not 5 minutes, but over 1 hour.

2. You dont want to understand that not everybody knows how to verify users properly on websites like slack. You are stating it is objectively stupid from anybody not knowing how to do, I would claim every average Joe would be scammed from the guy who scammed me. On some points on my conversation with the scammer, I though this "Dominik Schiener" might be strange not speaking german with me for example, but I never thought he could be a scammer having the same pictures and name like him, while the real "Dominik Schiener" was also chatting in the official room in english with other guys.

3. You think being blunt and using words like stupid is ok, although with the most cultures of the world it is offensive and cause conflicts. If you would have say it directly to me or a lot of other people where I am living, after I lost over 5.000 dollars, at least someone from us would be propably injured. You would be ok with it? So in my opinion I am not stupid, it is your opinion, it is subjectiv and therefore a personal attack.

By the way, why are you adorn yourself with words like "ad hominem" or "quantum superpositions", do you want to show us how inteligent you are?

Here is the chat conversation with the scammer, for the ignorants / or lazys..

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After I entered the trading channel, the user "Dominik Schiener" contacted me.
At the end of our conversation the user changed his name to: "Admiral Bit"

Dominik Schiener [11:56 PM]
Hi, if you are looking to source IOTA quickly and secure I am offering batches of 1 TIOTA @ 10 Bitcoin per batch. If you require any just let me know. Thanks, Dom

yumei [11:59 PM]
hi, sprichst du deutsch ?

Dominik Schiener [11:59 PM]
a little but my English is better

----- Today August 30th, 2016 -----
yumei [12:00 AM]
ah ok I thought your name is german

Dominik Schiener [12:00 AM]
If you need the IOTA wallet, latest build here : https://github.com/iotaledger/wallet/releases/tag/1.0.4.beta
GitHub
iotaledger/wallet
wallet - IOTA Wallet

yumei [12:01 AM]
well can you explain me how it works with trading, do I need to transfer BTC anywhere for the bot recognizing it, or its just a OTC between me and you where we have to handle anything else ?

Dominik Schiener [12:02 AM]
I am one of the IOTA devs so trades are secure. You can also go to the trading channel and type "BIDS" or "ASKS" for the bot to respond. Trades are manual so escrow is recommended if you are dealing with a regular member here

[12:04]
Seccour or Yassin are recommended for Escrow

yumei [12:04 AM]
ok I understand, may I ask you some questions then? is IOTA pow or pos, how is it different to bitcoin beside there is no typical blockchain, my english is poor, so I didnt understand that much. but if you don´t have time to explain its fine I will search elsewhere, but I am highly interested to buy from you

Dominik Schiener [12:05 AM]
All the info you require can be found here in detail : https://www.iotatoken.com/

[12:06]
IOTA has big advantages over bitcoin regarding scalability, no fees, fully decentralized

yumei [12:07 AM]
ok i am actually installing the client, how long you will be online to do the trade ?

Dominik Schiener [12:09 AM]
I will be on and off on a regular basis. When you are ready please use the following bitcoin address for payment : [hidden]

After transfer drop me a pm with your IOTA address, IOTA will be sent after 1 confirmation of the bitcoin

[12:10]
You dont needa fully synced wallet to complete the trade and you can also check the IOTA has been sent using the tangle explorer here : http://tangle.guru/

yumei [12:10 AM]
ok thanks a lot Dominik, I appreciate your help a lot, I will pm you when I do the first 10 btc batch for 1 T IOTA

Dominik Schiener [12:10 AM]
No probs.

Dominik Schiener [12:53 AM]
heading offline soon. If you decide to purchase the IOTA just send to the bitcoin to the above address (Hidden) then message me your IOTA address. IOTA will be sent when I come back online shortly. Current price is 10 BTC per 1 TIOTA (25 batches available) - price is also subject to change so dont think about it too long :wink: thanks, Dom.

yumei [12:55 AM]
yes, actually I am downloading the data, seems like I need to download if completly before I can attach my address to tangle ?

[12:55]
unfortunatly client is not showing me on status bar, how much I have still to download

Dominik Schiener [12:56 AM]
You can use the address before attaching to tangle. to give you an idea of how much you need to download you can reference the milestones here : https://iotatangle.slack.com/messages/botbox/

yumei [12:57 AM]
milestoneIndex
3005

[12:57]
its not moving here

[12:58]
ok give me 10 minutes, I will send you the first 10 btc

Dominik Schiener [12:58 AM]
no probs, ill hold on a bit before logging off then

yumei [1:01 AM]
FGCFLHTPTFRZVVLMDQIPWQXXHBEDBMRWILGFVEQHGBJHTYZN9MUYTNBUKCSZKKHEJLGKHGWUGQV9PMX CKQFI9IKUDO

Dominik Schiener [1:02 AM]
ok, as soon as I get the transaction I.D ill get the IOTA sent over to you. You can then check in tangle explorer that it has been sent if your wallet hasnt fully synced up

[1:05]
bitcoin received. sending IOTA now.

yumei [1:06 AM]
ok

Dominik Schiener [1:08 AM]
All sent, should show in your wallet shortly.

yumei [1:09 AM]
ok thanks, I will test the client and read more about IOTA and might coming back to you, is there any discount when I decide to buy more / higher amounts ?