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Well, ask yourself about yourself. Imagine that you are a cab driver. You give a couple of guys a ride to a fast food place with the instruction to wait for them to get lunch, and then to take them on to another destination. They rob the fast food place. You don't know it. Are you a crook for earning a living, especially since you didn't know what they were doing?

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I told you before, the cab driver thing doesn't work, because the cab driver isn't omnipotent.
Now if God was the cab driver, he would know full well in advance what the guys would do. If he was happy with them doing it, he would give them a ride, if not then he wouldn't.

But you conveniently forget the part where both the O.T. and Jesus said that we are gods. God made us so great that we have some God-like capabilities. God made us so great as to have free will that He can't entirely outguess. But this free will is in the strength of our faith.

LOL, what type of useless God is that? Cannot even figure out what we are going to do next!
Little wonder he messed up the universe this time round with rotten wood. Roll Eyes

I suggest we revoke his status of God.

Yeah. Hurts, doesn't it? Thinking that God is useless, and knowing that you are so insignificant that your useless god has to make things move for you because you don't have the strength to even recognize the tiny spot of free will that you have.

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God, with good and right intentions, made people to be righteous. People could have remained righteous. The fact that they didn't isn't God's fault. If God had forced them into being unable to sin, they would not have had freedom, and they would not be people.

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God obviously designed people so they can sin. So yes, it's his fault people sin.
Why just not invent sin in the first place? Huh

But God also designed people so that they didn't have to sin, and he commanded them not to. So, it was people who decided to sin when they were told not to.

Then, to make sure that people didn't have an excuse like you are trying to use, God made a way out for people, but people rejected the way out willingly, just like you are doing. You have no excuse.

So let's get this straight. God invented sin. Designed people so they could sin. Told them not to. Then they sinned, which he knew would happen in the first place, but went along with it anyway. Then gets angry.

Something tells me you've haven't thought this through properly. Roll Eyes

Nope. God didn't invent sin. He made perfection, and warned people about what they had to do to maintain that perfection. Then they sinned, and now you try to blame God for your sinning. And that in the face of God trying to save you from your sin.

Something tells me that you might not be honorable enough, that if you were somehow saved, to be with us in eternal glory anyway. What God sees in you that He keeps on trying to reach you, I'll never know.

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Are you afraid to accept His salvation where there is forgiveness for the sins?

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Loaded question. You've presupposed that I need salvation.

The fact that you continually speak against God, shows that you need salvation from His anger against you for the way you talk. The fact that you are able to exist for even a moment after speaking against God shows that you have this salvation temporarily. But if you don't acknowledge Jesus, your Savior, you will lose any salvation that you have, when you die.

There is zero evidence he is angry with me. What you mean to say is you want God to be angry with me. But not quite saying it.
I still exist because either 1) God doesn't exist, or 2) God exists, but doesn't care. Anymore than that is blind speculation.
Presupposing I need a savior of course with the Jesus thing.

God's anger was so great that He almost destroyed the earth at the time of the first sin, even with the promise of Jesus holding everything in place. You can see this from the corruption that is in the world. The corruption that is here now was the start of the destruction back then.

And here you are, trying to make the anger of God worse by ignoring the salvation He is holding out to you. Change while He gives you time, because if he stops holding His anger back regarding you, you will be destroyed in great agony, forever.

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In the New Universe God is creating, there will be none of the pains and problems any longer. There will only be joy. Everything in this universe and life will be forgotten forever by those who go to the New Universe God is making.

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Well, let's hope he doesn't use rotten wood and dodgy nails this time round.

God didn't use anything imperfect the first time. The second time will only be for those people who have placed themselves under His dominion, voluntarily, while living here. So, when He takes away the will to sin in the afterlife, He will simply be doing as everyone who joins Him has asked Him to do. Those who don't ask Him to do it will perish with this universe.

If the universe is perfect this time round, why bother making another one? The next one will be identical, because anything different wouldn't be perfect.

You are so limited mentally. Considered. If God made the perfect grain of sand, why couldn't He make two? The New Universe will exist because it will hold more perfect opportunities for us. This universe will hold the imperfection of those like you who would not turn and be saved. Since you are making God's perfect universe here to be imperfect, he will destroy both, the universe and you along with all the other imperfection that people have made.

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When you get to the quagmire of everlasting destruction that Hell is, remember that you are the one who didn't accept the way out.

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Better than brown nosing.

But it won't feel better in Hell. Your choice, however.

Assuming hell exists of course.

It's a faith thing. God said it, so will it be.

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He sent me to you to warn you, and probably other people as well.

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The only people that has sent you are the religious elite, with their manufactured artifical threat.
Well, if it makes you feel important. Roll Eyes

The proof will be in the resurrection. But think well. It doesn't hurt me much to be religious if there is no resurrection. But it will hurt you greatly if there is and you haven't changed.

All to do with probability.
The probability that I will die in a car accident tomorrow is smallish, but not zero. But for all intends and purposes the probability of it happening is zero really. It probably won't. So I base my life on that, and jump into my car.
The probability that I will have a heart attack or stroke tomorrow is low, but not zero. But for all intends and purposes the probability of it happening is zero really. It won't. So I base my life on that, and have commitments.
The probability that I will win the lottery tomorrow is minute, but not zero. But for all intends and purposes the probability of it happening is zero really. It won't. So I base my life on that, and goto work to earn some money today.
The probability that I need to seek salvation in Jesus is microscopically tiny to the smallest atom, but not zero. But for all intends and purposes the probability of it happening is zero really. It won't. So I don't.

I won't be losing any sleep over it.

What was the probability of Hiroshima being destroyed in the eyes of the Japs before it happened? Zero. Even after it happened they didn't believe when they were told what it was. It took Nagasaki to start to convince them that the A-bomb was real. You don't know when your "Hiroshima" will hit you.

The point is, aftter it hits, you won't be able to change your mind. Change now, while you can.

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But you, of your own free will, didn't listen. Turn and be saved while you have the chance.

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Can't do that. No free will remember.

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We don't even have free will.

We don't have free will in the things of life. We do have partial free will regarding our faith in God. Then God looks at our faith, and adjusts life according to the way our free will faith suggests. No free will in the things of life, but free will in a portion of our faith strength.

Consider this parable that Jesus told. From Luke 13:6-9:

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6 Then he told this parable: A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any.

7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, For three years now Ive been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and havent found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?

8  Sir, the man replied, leave it alone for one more year, and Ill dig around it and fertilize it.

9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down. 

Jesus is watering you and fertilizing you through the things I am telling you. But if you don't produce fruits of faith within the time allotted to you, you will be cut down and thrown into Hell.

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I've told you before, you cannot cherrypick what we have free will over. Either we do with everything or we don't with everything. Simply as that.

I already have fruit on my tree. The fruit are fine, they are just not to your taste that's all. Your better off picking some from another tree instead of trying to change the fruit.

True, can't cherrypick. You might have free will to walk down the street. But you don't have free will to jump to the moon. What is, exists. Cherrypicking doesn't have anything to do with it.

Cause and effect makes it so that there isn't any free will in the things we do. God holds open a section of free will in all of us to choose Him or not.

Choose God while God continues to hold that choice open for you. At your death, the ability to choose anything at all is gone.

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