Quote from: PondSea on September 06, 2016, 08:12:11 AM

Quote from: CryptoSporidium on September 06, 2016, 01:15:43 AM

Quote from: damon0 on September 05, 2016, 11:28:16 PM

@Pondsea - Since the Komodo team members are likely to benefit more than BTCD investors (payments from invested BTC), your opinions mean little.. Komodo team members opinions are NOT neutral and it is NOT genuine or authentic to pretend like it is..

The most neutral opinion is one of a current (as of last day of August) BTCD investor who is not part of Komodo team and NOT likely to be paid from the ~30,000 BTC collected..

We all know that Iguana/SuperNET/Bitcoindark 'had' a huge potential for a sharp rise in value on the freemarket the moment the very cool wallet application was truly ready for mainstream.. Monero and Steem had 50X rise on arguably less tech.. One komodo team member told be that 'whales' had already picked Bitcoindark for a minimum 7X gain... Not a 25%, but a 700% gain (minimum).. This makes sense now why you guys chose 30000 BTC for the ICO, as that's about what whales were valuing Bitcoindark at.. Except, now it won't be BitCoinDark investors who receive the gain, it will be whomever Komodo team chooses to benefit..

Iguana/SuperNET/Bitcoindark has Telepathy, Ram Chains, Pangea, InstantDEX, EasyDEX, multi-wallet, 100X faster sync, 50% compression, etc. etc. etc. Komodo only adds a couple new features and therefore Bitcoindark/SuperNET/Iguana should be more like 80% or 90% of ICO, not 20%.

AND.... That is the opinion of a non komodo team member, who is managing the investment of BTCD for others. I effectively have the obligation to reach out to Komodo team and ask them rethink this..

Komodo team - please.... really think this thru carefully.. What you have done is NOT ok.. It's basic common sense.. In the statutory world, people likely go to jail for less.. 7X Market gain on 4Mil is 24 Mil profit.. This is NOT a lemonade stand. You have to act with the utmost care for your investors. Those who are signatures on the Komodo Multi-Sig BTC wallet, please be very careful and thoughtful about what you are doing, I have the deepest respect for you all and would hate to see you get into any trouble..

Promises were made and those promises need to be fulfilled with crisp, easy to delineate, lines.. Please do not co-mingle Komodo ICO with current obligations until after those promotions have been fulfilled and the freemarket has had a chance to adjust.. I have been a long time advocate of Supernet/Bitcoindark - I've been your biggest fan.. You need to fix this..

Komodo team: You guys are welcome to reach out to me on supernet slack, I'll be happy to explain to you in more detail, the various reasons I believe you need to seriously rethink this.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can make it drink.

Good points! I think those BTCD investors who will be paid 'advisors' from the 10% KMD premine need to declare this openly now to help further discussion.

CryptoSporidium i dont think I have seen you in the BTCD thread. I have been active in the BTCD community for over 2 years and have the biggest? holdings outside of Supernet related funds. So i believe my opinions concerning BTCD matter.

Can you please let me know which Komodo team member said we were guaranteed a 7x gain? The majority of the current investors in BTCD are in it for the tech and vision and not to get out during a short term pump. James has no obligations to you nor BTCD holders in general, and is free to leave at any time like any other open source project. What people need to remember is James did not start this coin but has helped it become relevant.

If he wants to just make Komodo without a BTCD swap he is free to. How would that work out for you holdings?

My point is btcd holders offering opinions on the merits of the Komodo plan should declare if they're going to be paid from the 10% premine. You said when james first told you about the dilution of btcd you had strong doubts, but then he 'convinced' you. It's a fair question to ask are you going to be paid from ico funds or the premine. It might be perfectly reasonable for you to receive payment for work done, but then again, people can change their opinion if they're paid to. You're strongly in favor of the ico plan, so you and others should declare if any deals or understandings have been entered into. You can obviously say that's not relevant, but others could then judge how objective you are in this discussion.

Me, a small btcd holder not involved in testing etc, not being paid anything