Quote from: TradeFortress on March 12, 2013, 07:24:38 AM

It's practically impossible for that to happen unless you have access to the hardware. In which case, your wallet is screwed.

Bitcoin does not transfer the private keys anywhere, you also do not know when someone is making a transaction, only when someone pushes a transaction.

Isn't there some website somewhere you should be fixing for 27 Bitcoins?

Quote from: makomk on March 12, 2013, 12:44:54 PM

You really, really don't get it. We can't have a protocol spec becasue the existing client has a whole bunch of unspecified and unintended behaviour that no-one knows about, and any divergence from that behaviour by any major implementation will result in fiascos like this one. This problem could just as easily have been caused by a independent third-party implementation of the client. The developers have been finding and documenting all the corner cases as thoroughly as possible, but some of them are - like this one - really subtle and hard to spot. I'm not sure anyone's managed to fully work out the circumstances under which 0.7 will fail to accept a block due to this bug.

No, it is you that doesn't (really, really) get it. What you're displaying is precisely the sort of idiocy this thread was named for.

No matter how inconvenient it may be on the short term, for a plethora of reasons chief among which is the fact that some IDIOTS lose the jealously-preserved mystique of being "they who understand the nonsense they created for the purpose of having something only they can understand", specification HAS TO BE DONE.

Do you grasp this? Bitcoin will never exist as a toy for five idiots. You will never get to matter inasmuch as what you want to do is have this little black box the world reveres that only you are allowed to peer inside. This is not how the world works, currently (and past about 1800 or so). This is not how the world should work, either.

Specifying the code does not "result in fiascoes like this one". Your idiotic codebase results in in fiascoes like this one. Specification is the way out of it, and most importantly specification is the way out of having you idiots create fiascoes like this one randomly, one at a time, for the unforeseeable future.

Incredible how stupid self-centered people can be, seriously now.

Quote from: Severian on March 12, 2013, 02:44:54 PM

I'm not a coder but even I know this. It is what it is. Whoever wrote the code wrote it as proof of concept and then they went back and explained what they did. That's Bitcoin, like or not.

I have to say you all are very patient in the face of the spoiled brat brigade that are yelling for you all to modify their hot rod while the mechanics marvel at how its staying on the road in the first place.

Enough with the nonsense. You are missing the point by about a mile.

Quote from: coqui33 on March 12, 2013, 04:01:06 PM

MPOE-PR: Please do think from what I posted above

I do not really know what to make of your reply above. In any case, it'd seem consensus is emerging that indeed the devs are idiots (should you wish to more politely define that as "strategically myopic" or whatever other phrase). It'd seem the consensus also is emerging that indeed the way forward is,

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A. immediately start work on specification, which is the only priority, and release no further versions until such specification is complete

B. immediately start work on removing all magic numbers and assorted code smelliness from the UNreference implementation of crap, and not release any further version before a clean implementation was released

The order is important, all that's left is for the devs to obey. Which is exactly what happens, in the real world, among sane people and where actual developers are involved. If we have a brigade of spoiled brats pretending to be devs here then indeed we have a problem.

Quote from: bullioner on March 12, 2013, 04:38:15 PM

A agree with you, but based on statements by Jeff, Gavin, and Mike, this will not happen. If we want a well specified crypto currency with a wealth of implementations, we are going to have to create it. Bitcoin is not that, and it is not going to become that.

As it happens, nobody asked them.