Quote from: snowboard789 on September 08, 2016, 09:51:30 AM

I know jl777 is a famous developer. But can someone summarize how many ICOs he launched and how many he delivered? I read somewhere that he likes to abandon projects.

I hope my message is not moderated, I am genuinely interested in investing but I need some information that I lack.

thanks

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One of the misconceptions is that the projects would be isolated from each other, but in fact they all more or less need each other. Some projects (like Pangea) need to solve a lot of complex problems which also other projects are looking to solve. In other words, a single project cannot be 100% completed before the overall technology is in place. jl777 has been working hard and has made a steady progress that has led him to solve those hard problems. In many cases, we are getting to the finish line, where only a GUI team and a project manager is needed to completely finish them.

Second point is, that many of the projects are started by a third party, and SuperNET is just a partner. One such example would be Pangea poker, which unfortunately has now fallen under jl777's responsibility. On the other hand, there are projects such as SkyNET and NXTFreeMarket, which are still being developed by third party.

A third point would be, that the roadmap to solve these hard problems can change. It's impossible to know in advance how to solve each problem, and sometimes a better option emerges. Komodo is a perfect example. A better alternative appeared, Zcash, and thus the roadmap for BTCD changed. The BTCD was not abandonet, because the previous investors now get to swap to for KMD.

Fore more information I refer to the following comment:

Quote from: KomodoPlatform on September 07, 2016, 10:44:58 AM

The technlogy SuperNET is developing is not fictional, it is not an empty promise.

It is here! Verify the progress yourself!

github.com/jl777/SuperNET
docs.supernet.org (a list of iguana API)
SuperNET Slack channel #Iguana

- Iguana is functioning at the command line level
- There is a team developing HTML/JS GUI (they post updates to #Iguana channel)
- Both the iguana core and GUI are open source
- Soon there will be installers, and a first release

Komodo ICO will bring more funds that are necessary to remove all the obstacles there are before we can get a mainstream adoption. But that is a long term plan.

With the short term, there are at least:
1) Iguana release
2) anonymous transactions
3) dPoW

We are working really hard to have the first Iguana release before the ICO starts. During ICO there will be a working dPoW in testnet. Finally, very soon after the ICO ends, we will get anonymous transactions.

What James has done during the past has not been a simple task. He has solved extremely hard problems. Here is what he just said about Iguana:

Quote from: jl777 on September 07, 2016, 07:14:00 AM

Took me 9 months to write iguana, the first multicoin parallel syncing bitcoin protocol daemon, including RPC, that compiles to 2MB. Is that slow? Not sure, but I know if I tried to find someone to do that, they would ask to fund a full dev team for at least that long. People dont realize the scale and difficulty of creating working backward compatible improvements to the state of art.

jl777 has given a detailed update about all the projects mentioned:

Quote from: jl777 on September 02, 2016, 07:04:31 AM

While I have done many projects, I think "dozens" is an exaggeration. Similarily your statement about no projects finished is a bit harsh.

jl777hodl is a holding fund for various crypto projects. As such it has been finished for years. It was the first asset that started trading and made history, this was something like 2 years ago. I would consider this finished.

MGW is multigateway.com and that also has been finished and in service for over a year. Since it is working and being used for over a year, I would consider that finished.

NXTventure is another one that has been finished for over a year. It has paid out in dividends more than I think any other NXT asset by value of dividends at the time it was sent out. Again, the future of NXTventure is hampered by all the changes with NXT that is out of my control, however I would consider NXTventure was completed.

SuperNET is a hybrid holding vehicle and technology incubator. At least that is one way to look at it. http://www.supernet.org/nav.php shows its current holdings and despite being hit by a 75% reduction in its NAV the first year (mostly due to NXT price decline and my not actively trading), the NAV has more than doubled to within striking distance of the original. This is achieved while paying for all the costs to run SuperNET out of the investment gains. Now what other project self-funds from investment gains that it makes?

I have issued more than a dozen proxy assets, such as mgwBTC and superBTC. These asset's function is to represent 1:1 the BTC to allow using the NXT AE to trade them via blockchain. I did this 2 years ago and I am pretty sure it was the first tokenDEX that allowed trading of crypto against crypto. This is 2 years ago, when just now we finally see other solutions of this kind appearing. I would consider these assets completed.

Iguana is a bitcoin daemon and wallet that can sync the entire BTC blockchain from scratch in 2 hours. It also can sync over a dozen other coins, all from a self-contained codebase that I wrote from scratch. Its codesize is about 3MB and it has been ported from unix to osx, win32, win64, android and chrome app. docs.supernet.org documents its API bindings and it is now in the final stages of debug and will be used as a component within komodo. I have seen some GUI that is looking pretty good and for basic wallet function and parallel sync it appears to be working, though I do the core level code and not the GUI so I cant speak for it in detail.

Is iguana completed? Not quite, but it is very close and I suggest you take a look at it. The source code has been open and available during the development process at https://github.com/jl777/SuperNET and you can see that I have been quite busy over the years. docs.supernet.org documents the API

crypto777: this is an ongoing technology revenue asset and as soon as project start generating revenues, it will too. It basically represents revenues from the technology that I do that doesnt already have an asset to encapsulate its revenues. In some sense it is done, just that the revenue streams are flowing yet. Maybe this is in an in-between state, but there was no ICO per se for this, so not sure if you have an issue with it.

Now to the real unfinished projects list, however please note that there was NO ICO for these and it was funded by small number of private investors, so I dont think it is fair for you to criticize them as an incomplete ICO, as they were not even ICO:

InstantDEX: easyDEX is in last stages of coding/debugging and is part of the overall solution of loosely coupled blockchains using atomic swaps. The full InstantDEX was mostly working last year(!) however due to disappearance of GUI dev combine with NXT increasing txfees dramatically while reducing the available space to store data, made an InstantDEX built on NXT uneconomic. Should InstantDEX have been finished by now? Yes. I made a mistake of building the InstantDEX on top of NXT, which is a platform that I had no voice in and when everything was changed and made it so a few of my projects became unviable, my protests were met with a "you should have known better". OK, so lesson learned and now I know better, I wrote iguana from scratch so its entirety I am in control. Never again will I be at the mercy of arbitrary changes that break backward compatibility and the fundamental economic model of a service I built on top of it.

Pangea: this is a decentralized poker service that is in a holding pattern now due to the retooling required to switch from a NXT based service to iguana based.

Tradebots/NXTcoinsco: part of this is in the process of being completed within the easyDEX framework, but again the shift from NXT based to iguana based was a delay factor.

NXTprivacy: this is mostly a deprecated asset due to my shift from NXT to iguana, but I do have a plan to infuse some life to it after the dust settles from the other projects. In any case it never did any ICO and didnt even do much of secondary trading on NXT AE, so its priority has been low.

Do you want me to list the projects that I didnt even raise funds from private investors and are just various technology projects that I have percolating? Not sure why you would have any complaints if I have a lot of projects in the research phase that I have not raised funds for.

I proposed an Asset Passport system, which is a way to protect asset issuer and holders by allowing them to migrate from chain to chain. This was actually the genesis of dPoW which evolved from the need to secure weak PoS chains. I never raised any funds for this.

I have proposed Teleport, Telepathy and PAX within the BTCD context, but I did not do any ICO to raise funds to develop this. Teleport at a high level is similar to zcash, in that there is a blackbox of bits representing the transaction, but the math behind the zero knowledge proofs is a step above anything else and I always want to use the best tech solution for my systems, even if it means replacing something I made. Telepathy is a network level privacy "mixer" and this will work on top of the komodo, of course it needs for komodo to be finalized and also its urgency is much less due to the strength of zcash tech. PAX has been coded to alpha level, but as an unfunded project has been back burnered and also waits for the full transition to iguana. Is it is disappointing that these things have not been completed yet? Sure, but I am just one guy coding away most days and many have advised me to get more help at the core level. The issue is I cant find any other C coders at my level who will work for anything less than a lot of money.

I am also providing free consulting for many projects, they just have to ask and I try to help as I can, which is usually with some technical ideas. I am not the one actually doing these projects though, so I hope you do not hold me responsible for any delivery status of all the projects I have helped with my advice.

I understand if you see all these projects and there isnt the level of success you want to see. After all if it was all finished and a big success I wouldnt have to be working these 14 hour days 28 days a month, continuously.

However, the perception that I never finish everything is not correct. The perception that I do dozens of ICOs and just spend all the money and ask for more, is not correct.

I have done exactly one ICO outside of the NXT assets, and that is SuperNET. Its charter for use of funds is primarily to make investments and I have been funding operations from the profits, while growing the NAV from a low of .002 to its current .006 level.

If you can name any other ICO I conducted where funds were raised and I havent delivered anything, I am curious to know what it is. As you can see I am not limited in the number of ideas, nor do I feel their quality is low. What I need is more resources. I had hoped to get at least half a dozen volunteers to work on the core C projects, but alas, there were none.

With komodo there is the possibility of creating not only the first dPoW implementation, but also to fund all of the pending projects that are in slow motion due to my only having 16 hours per day to work and I am slacking off this year by working only 14 hours per day.

James

In a follow up:

Quote from: jl777 on September 02, 2016, 04:25:23 PM

CryptoCard is completed, coinomat issued debit cards

Teleport - this is not any asset, how is it possible that an ICO was done for something without even an asset
Telepathy - this is not any asset, how is it possible that an ICO was done for something without even an asset
PAX - this is not any asset, how is it possible that an ICO was done for something without even an asset

Pangea
Neodice
Jay
SkyNET
above are all other dev's projects that SuperNET invested in and gave out dividends in. After it was given as a dividend it started trading in the open market. Please tell me where in this picture SuperNET or I am making an ICO to collect lots of money?

NXTprivacy was done as above, ie free dividend and after market trading by the people who received the assets.

which leaves InstantDEX, crypto777 and SuperNET
InstantDEX had private investors and then like the above assets was dividended out to SuperNET asset holders.

SuperNET, we know that its NAV is mostly preserved over the years as the technology has been developed: supernet.org/nav.php

Most of the projects SuperNET develops are not isolated, but they are part of the overall solution that will solve major problems crypto has. It's not possible to complete one piece 100%, and then move to the next one.

Quote from: jl777 on September 07, 2016, 04:28:53 AM

If a single project has many use cases, is it dozens of different projects? I think maybe the confusion is that I am making something that is similar to an OS. But what is an operating system without any applications? How to even know if the OS is working without any applications? So to make an OS, you need to make a few reference applications. And if an idea for a new application happens, does that fit within the framework of the OS, or does it somehow fragment the OS?

My assessment is that crypto needs a common framework for efficient development, if not all of crypto, at least I do. If a solution is being created to be able to build many different solutions, then many different solutions needs to be created on that system to make sure it can handle it. Otherwise you end up with limited scope speciality solutions that dont handle one or more types of problems that need to be handled.

I have a platform level solution that allows efficient solving of all the crypto's bottlenecks toward mainstream adoption. THAT is what I have been working on all this time. And dPoW is a vital part for this as it enables securing otherwise weak chains that wouldnt be secure enough to store any significant value.

Combined with iguana that speaks bitcoin protocol and can interface to many coins at once and atomic cross chain exchanges, a network of bitcoin secured chains that can atomic swap with any other is created. In order to reduce the friction of these cross chain swaps, funded Liquidity Provider nodes are needed. The advantage is that instead of having to wait for a day (or more) for side chains, the swaps can be done within a few coin confirmations (even less for low value swaps)

At the end all the hard work will pay off, as the working products will begin to pop up like mushrooms after rain. The progress has been invisible to some because they don't follow close enough.

When someone develops something of this scale, the exact path of how to get there is not known. Now we became to a crossroad, which we couldn't see before, and it looks like "Komodo" is the route we should take.