Quote from: jl777 on September 07, 2016, 11:40:56 AM

Quote from: CryptoSporidium on September 07, 2016, 11:36:01 AM

Quote from: jl777 on September 07, 2016, 11:16:53 AM

Quote from: CryptoSporidium on September 07, 2016, 11:02:27 AM

Many of those assets were dividends, however the case of cryptocard is very disappointing. Jl777 launched that fundraiser on the btcd thread, collected 10k btcd from memory when it was worth a lot more, but now he says that was coinomat project. Jl777 converted all his cryptocard assets into WAVES, then sasha mentions after the waves ico ends that coinomat business will likely be sold (who would buy coinomat?), and definitely not part of WAVES. The cryptocard asset was a fail, and jl777 raised considerable funds, and dumped his own assets, probably knowing sasha's intentions to abandon it. Please correct if that is wrong, but either way, I can understand and accept much of jl777's past record, but cryptocard is a black mark imo. Jl777 started cryptocard, raised the funds, subcontracted sasha and coinomat, then adandoned the project and bailed to waves, probably with insider knowledge, leaving bagholders still thinking an anon debit card is still being worked on. Much is forgivable with jl777, but the cryptocard affair reflects poorly on jl777 and sasha.

The cryptocard has been completed for over a year as much as it ever would and even paid out a few dividends. while it is true is has been a disappointment, everybody had the chance to convert cryptocard into WAVES. That was public knowledge and available for all.

I had no insider knowledge of the status of coinomat and in fact I still hold millions of coinomat assets. My understanding is that coinomat business is being converted into a WAVES oriented one, which makes sense to me and why I continue to hold millions of coinomat assets. This is not any bailout behavior.

I think it is quite unfair that you accuse me of wrongdoing for swapping a disappointing asset using the same method available to everyone. Was I supposed to not do the swap? If so, then other people would accuse me of not doing what I should have. I believe all the amounts raised would have been recouped via the WAVES swap, at least very close to it, so a disappointment, but not a disaster.

If you didn't have insider knowledge on sasha's plan for the cryptocard, then I accept that. It was a failed project so far, and I think you have to accept it was one of yours, so when I learnt you had swapped it didn't look good to me, and the other day you said it was a 'coinomat' project, and I don't think the investors ever thought that. It looked like you were subcontracting coinomat to do the card that would then be plugged into the btcd ecosystem by you. I apologise if I offended, but for smaller investors like myself there's always the fear that 'insiders' are working things out behind the scenes to their own benefit at the expense of regular investors. If you and sasha never discussed his likely abandoning of it, then I believe you, but imo it was your project, and maybe you could argue in favor of him incorporating cryptocard into waves in some form.

I am not aware of any plans to cancel the crypto card. and certainly if he is planning this I would be against that.

I did coordinate this, so in that sense I was involved, but the banking environment changed from bad to horrible during the project and the best could be done was done. As I am not expert in fiat banking, I need to rely on others for such things

thank you for your understanding.

If you're still advocating on behalf of cryptocard asset holders that sasha not abandon it, and that he incorporate the asset into waves in some way, then I think most people will accept that. You obviously have much more ability to persuade and influence him than most other crypto people, so if you give that undertaking to argue in favor of the asset living on I am feeling much better.

I do respect you for addressing people's concerns james, thank you!

I do thank you for addressing my concerns james