Quote from: MonadTran on March 16, 2013, 06:07:23 AM

OK, so I do enjoy that little freedom I have. I moved away from my home country. I am using bitcoins as much as it is reasonable. But I still have significant issues with the status quo.

1. Somebody owns me. And I see no way to set myself free. I can never be sure if a bunch of crazy politicians decide they need to impose their laws on me even when I am abroad. I can never be sure if they decide not to renew my passport. I believe human ownership is wrong, and it has to be stopped. There has to be a way to renounce all citizenship, if needed, and become a citizen of nowhere.
2. I'd like to have private property. Real private property, a place where I can set up my own rules, instead of following the rules set up by the government. The current system does not allow that, mainly for the reason that people are not used to this much freedom, they see it as something alien, and resort to familiar collectivist thinking they have been taught throughout their entire lives.

I am a realist. I realize these two issues are unlikely to be resolved during my lifetime. But I still think that humanity will wake up sooner or later. I'd feel better if I could speed up this awakening as much as possible.

So, would you agree, in principle, that these are real issues? Do you feel comfortable being owned? Do you feel comfortable having no private property? Would you like this to be changed (I am not saying any real changes are possible in our lifetime, just curious)?

I agree with your sentiments above, Under the UN citizens of a country have the right to self determination, that is they can vote out of being under control of a certain state or empire right eg British commonwealth?
So does that right of self determination extend to the individual, if I buy a property outright and declare the land I own soveirgn and then hold a vote with those people on my land, and if we vote for sovriegnty and to separated from any national governments, does this not mean I / we would be a newly created sovriegn country and would be able to make our own laws and govern ourselvs??

I am not sure of the following but this is how I imagine the past was ment to be (in Britain we have been "subjects" of various Kings / Queens Bishops, knights and barrons so it rarely worked out this way as feudal times were dominated by serfdom and slavery):

It used to be that man was soviergn, this was a time when common law ruled and courts would be common law courts where local villagers would be summoned to the proceedings to determine the fate of an accused fellow villager. In these times there were no statues, no parliament, no "policy officers aka police" only peace officers that upheld the common law, everyone had the right to make a citizens arrest as anybody could be peace officers.

This was a time before birth certificates, driving licenses and passports all these documents are proof of your enslavement.

In relation to the OP illegal = against statute, Unlawful = against common law (as I understand it), Statue law has infected our court systems it used to be that common law was established by customs and precedents so if you have been regularly squatting on some unclaimed or common land for years then it was your common law right to do so as you have never had objections and were not causing anybody injury or loss, now statue set by the state can say any person squatting is committing an offence and because people fall for it and do not argue it is their right in court then judges rule based on the statute law again and again untill the new precedent is that people don't squat and that right is lost.

So the state can Legally steal (Levy / tax / Commandeer) but it is still unlawful / immoral,

just my .2Btc I could be wrong,

interesting people on the subject: Jordan Maxwell, Rob Menard.