Quote from: Trade_BTC on October 03, 2016, 11:09:03 AM

Op if you don't play at betterbets then there is a motive behind your post. I'm going to guess extortion probably. This looks like some kind of oversight error. They fix it in minutes....now we can pick client seeds in the 4 billions on accounts. So dev said they spoke to you and it seems outcome wasn't what you wanted -gimme money or I'm posting- and you made this post. Does this about sum it up?

I was kinda waiting for this. Actually I'm asking myself about why I am wasting time on this.
Since the point of noticing about the issue, I was wondering what to do with. I mentioned the issue in a chatroom, but either people thought I would have lost there and just cant handle the loss or they just didnt understand what I am talking about.

While I was pretty sure about it, I thought it would be better to ask somebody who has more experience with this. Maybe I really would have overseen something.
I hope it's ok to mention him but I dont see why it wouldnd. So I wrote a mail to dooglus regarding this issue, just to not do anything without being 100 % sure about it being an issue or not.
After I got confirmed about my opinion for it being not fair, I again asked me what to do.

So I came to the point, to contact the owners of BetterBets and Wealthy Dice per private message on BCT.
Told them shortly that theres an issue with the seedlimitation and asking them to change it. A few minutes later I thought it wasnt clear enough explained so I wrote a second message to both of them.

Here are my outgoing PM's to the owners of both sites:

So I was expecting them to fix the issue in first place, leaving me the option to report it or not. I have had no problems with both apps so I had no intention to damage their image or anything.
I still wasnt sure if I will post about the issue at all or just leave it as it is after being fixed. The thing is that BetterBets.io is there for 1 year or something, and nobody ever seemd to have noticed it.

They are the biggest app on moneypot with a wager of over 35k bitcoins, alone since the ownerchange of Moneypot.
This are their stats:

Bets   151,692,636
Wagered   35,031,617,084.98 bits
Bets Profit   480,245,287.65 bits (1.37%)
Expected Profit   348,492,607.60 bits (0.99%)

So people obviously lost 480 bitcoins there + what was lost under the old owner.

I got answerd pretty quick from both sites. Here are their answers:

Actually I was still waiting for a further message from Wealthy Dice about the issue being resolved, thats why I didnt mention them yet. But when looking at it a second time, it seems they both have the same dev.
I didnt notice that yesterday, otherwhise I would have mentioned wealthy dice as well.

Wealthy Dice is a pretty new Moneypot app, so I wanted to wait at least until its fixed in case I report it. I thought that would be fair in case they just bought the script without noticing about the issue.

So I added the BetterBets-dev on skype, wondering why he would want to speak with me. I said all I wanted and just wanted it to be fixed.
But of course gamblingsites often getting attacked by people after losing some coins there. After a couple minutes he confirmed my request to add him to my skype list like I was asked to do so.

Here's the whole conversation:

A warm welcome ... (besides the fact, I clearly did NOT ask for any kind of conversation with him ...)

Nonsene talk ... actually it looks a bit like he would have no clue what he is coding together there.

Actually until this point I was trying to relax and just end the nonsense talk as fast as possible. I did this all in a way that would probably be most preferable for a Gamblingsite, which claims to be provably fair - but simply isnt at all.
I should have just posted it straigh away at bitcointalk, so I wouldnd have to listen to that.
Getting offended while you're trying to help somebody that u dont even know, in the hope he might have just done it by an accident.

Maybe I missunderstood this, but for me it was looking like he wanted to hide something.
My english isnt the best, but "be my guest" sounded for me like he would be trying to get this into some direction.
And it wasnt me who wanted to talk, right ?

Leaves the question why I didnt release this straight away no ?

He actually said he had a bad day, and I got him in wrong moment.
Also he said "sorry" so even if he was a dick, I was going to accepted his sorry and thought I'd leave it like this.

I have nothing to hide, so this is all of the communication that happend.
You are free to believe my version or not, up to you.

At the end the point is the same, the site wasnt provably fair until yesterday.