Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 13, 2016, 12:36:30 PM

Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 13, 2016, 11:35:51 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 13, 2016, 08:52:33 AM

The left/right isn't a political spectrum, it's a divide and conquer tactic, whereby liberalism gets split into economic liberalism and social liberalism, and then one side is fed arguments about why the other is the source of all problems.

The best approach is to never use the left/right concept, as you're always going to look like a reflexive partisan, one step away from using the non-argument "you're just one of them!"

This is why libertarianism and the various other anarchy inspired political ideologies are popular among Bitcoiners; they appear to be left-right blind, taking ideas from the left or the right as long as they promote liberty.

Look bitcoin is always political, and it will always be. You cannot talk about bitcoin and ignore the fundamental reality. And yes Carlton Banks, it is a foolish idea to fit both left & right ideas into bitcoin, it should be only right.

Bitcoin transcends politics:

"Left" wins: Bitcoin enabled borderless money, rendering state imposed capital controls or trade tariffs meaningless

"Left" wins: Bitcoin disrupted corporate monopoly on multiple types of financial services (investment, loans, gambling etc have all been liberalised)

"Left" wins: Bitcoin enabled safer marketplace for illegal contraband that doesn't generate victims

Except that these are not left wing ideas, they are right wing ideas that have been hijacked by leftists.

Capital controls are violating private property rights ,so they are not right wing.

Corporate monopoly is not good, certainly free market is preferable, which is again libertarian.

I also think many people would prefer legalization of plants, after all they are just plants.

So the ideas is freedom, yes freedom does transcend left/right, but the left doesnt bring any freedom to us, except gulags and poverty.

Quote from: davis196 on October 13, 2016, 12:47:32 PM

By leftists you mean socialists,i guess.

Perhaps 90% of all bitcoin users are poor people,and the poor people are mostly socialists.

This isn`t something bad.Everyone has it`s own opinion and it`s own ideas.

No , poor =/= socialist.

Most people are poor, but they still want to work hard and want their work respected by not stealing 50% of their income from them.

Poor people would want to go up the ladder, but guess who is keeping them down with 50% taxes?

Quote from: ObscureBean on October 13, 2016, 12:55:13 PM

Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 13, 2016, 11:51:43 AM

Money is private property. If a person holds 1000 BTC, he has every right to be in monopoly over that.

If you invide 10 people to outvote him and redistribute his money, that is called theft.

I totally agree with this logic. However you have to remember how man got to be king of the jungle, a single man cannot take down a lion but a group of men can. Man obeys no moral code, he simply takes what he wants and makes up any lame excuse for it. Today we're living in an urban jungle, man has conquered all of his foes except one, himself. And he's already started work on that last one.

Ok but hunting down a lion by a group of 10 people and sharing the loot is not the same as:

People creating bitcoin, people working hard on it, and then new people join and they want to steal the benefits of it for their personal gain.

That's like if those 10 people hunted down the lion, and another 1000 people come to steal the loot.