Quote from: secondstrade.com on October 14, 2016, 02:59:00 PM

Quote from: sp3edm on October 14, 2016, 02:17:08 PM

Quote from: secondstrade.com on October 14, 2016, 01:22:19 PM

Quote from: tautvilis on October 14, 2016, 12:25:15 PM

My bet was finally (after a week of waiting) refunded. Thank you to everyone who had replied in this topic, PM'ed secondstrade, or added him negative feedback.
I have removed my negative feedback and I will be messaging Vod and suchmoon that I no longer have any complaints about secondstrade.
Today I got this PM from secondstrade:

Quote from: secondstrade.com on October 14, 2016, 12:18:51 AM

but at the day, our hot wallet balance was become insufficient , because the scam.
so payout for the scam was not proceeded.
at the time, these two amount above max(0.9 and 0.8 were deposited).
and these bitcoin were also paid to the scammer.
so we thought that the two bet will be partner of the scammer or scammer themselves.

the reason that we thought such that.

1. the bitcoin above max amount did not often deposited .
2. scam time was very short (about 30 minutes ~1 hours).
3. the requester were newbie.
( i don't think the will be a newbie. they have a ability that can select transaction id.
the reason that they are newbie is because they do not want to know who is. )

but for you , we will consider refunding ..
you are not a newbie , and we can not find a proof that you are partner of them.

please wait some more.

Their reasoning behind my delay of refund is pretty logical considering they were the ones who suffered a loss.
Though regarding sp3edm case, yes it is strange that this happened exactly at this time and his first (and only) transaction was over a limit. But that is no way near enough for anyone to consider it as a valid proof.
My advice is that you should probably refund sp3edm his 0.8BTC or else I doubt you will get out of red trust rating, and I doubt you will get any new players.
As of rabiow12 I have already given my analysis so if I were to bet whether he did or didn't abuse it I would bet on, that he did abuse it.
rabiow12 has already lied after he was asked if he's at profit, and is still lying that it was all his Bitcoins left, so I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about not abusing the game too.
If you don't want to refund rabiow12 you will have to talk it through with Vod and suchmoon and explain it with all the proofs on your thread too.

thank you for your help. and very sorry that i doubted you.
but sp3edm's case is not a your case. he is newbie , and his bet is only one or use multiple addresses
and there is no any information .
if he bets first , 0.8 btc is too big amount .
most people initially start small.
i still think that he may be partner of rabiow12.

i think he have to show more proof that he is not a partner of rabiow12 or more transactions

thank you.

Hello, secondstrade, please don't ignore message, i wrote clear situation.

I'm not rabiow12 (i don't know him...) and he is not in my case. (tautvilis was in my case).
It is normal i'm a new user here, i see your website on Google, the first transaction i made was 0.8BTC. after a while, the game was not completed.
You don't have contact page on your website but i found a link "Discuss on Bitcointalk.org".

Let's see transaction time and my registration on the forum... (It's same).
You are right, it was my first bet... i played before on binary trading and played big amont. It's a crime to play big bet ?
And i played later on your website until i see it was over limit...
I never played txdice... my first bet was on ODD EVEN x2.
The game was not played, right? so why you don't want to refund ? O.o

Please refund me, i will remove trust and will edit all negative about you.

can you tell me other proof that you are not a partner of rabiow12?
The circumstances of the time, I have reason to doubt you.
but it is just doubt.

I agree with you, registration time has difference of 2 days...
What other proof do you want? i don't have other proof... sincerely and i don't know how to prove it.
Let's see how i'm typing and him.
I deleted my negative trust against you.
Contact OP, whatever you want i'm not rabiow12 and not a partner, i don't know him.

Check your PM, i sent you other informations