Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 01:03:53 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 14, 2016, 04:09:47 PM

Quote from: TooQik on October 14, 2016, 06:02:21 AM

Are you now admitting that you don't know how the universe came to be? That would seem to go against your core beliefs that you often post about on this forum.

What are you even talking about? Where have I ever said anything about the way or methods that God used to create the universe? The closest that we have to God's methods is that He spoke some details of the formation of the Earth and life on it into being. God is a spirit. How does a spirit speak? I never expressed how God speaks.

I was talking about the fact that you believe your God created the universe but failed to mention it in your original reply.

Now, look at how easy that was for you. If you had mentioned it right away, I could have responded differently.

Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 01:03:53 AM

Normally you never miss an opportunity to tell everyone about this so I thought that maybe you'd been rethinking your position. Nothing was mentioned about the way or methods until you raised it above.

"Are you now admitting that you don't know how the universe came to be?" Actually, this part is where you mentioned about the way or methods... in that little word "how." If you didn't mean the way or methods, why didn't you express what you meant? The fact that God created the universe is undeniable. You might think that you are denying it, but you really aren't and can't.

Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 01:03:53 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 14, 2016, 04:09:47 PM

Quote from: TooQik on October 14, 2016, 06:02:21 AM

Personally I think it's all rather simple, everything is energy and in a constant state of transition from one form of energy to another.

We all seem to have the ability to think things. It is a wonderful thing that we can think. Now lets think in ways that show us the truth, rather than simply making up ideas with out thought.

I agree, thinking is a wonderful thing. It allows us the freedom to explore ideas, notions, reasons, meaning and all sorts of wonderful things within ourselves, free from the judgment of others. It's only when we convey these thoughts that we often open ourselves to the ridicule of others who feel that what we are conveying is simply a whim and not something that has been mulled over for a long time and reached after much investigation, exploration and education.

Universal cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law, shows that the things that people think were caused in them. They didn't really have the freedom to think, even though they felt that they did.

Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 01:03:53 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 14, 2016, 04:09:47 PM

Quote from: TooQik on October 14, 2016, 06:02:21 AM

Just because we don't currently understand the how and why does not mean that we'll never be able to understand it.

This doesn't mean that we will ever be able to understand it, either.

While what you say is true, unlike yourself I have greater faith in the abilities of human beings. If given enough opportunity I believe there isn't much that we won't be able to one day explain that doesn't require a faith based in religion. I feel that the only thing that could potentially stop us is some catastrophic event that either wipes us out or removes our collective knowledge.

You are coming close to being accurate. Your greater faith in human beings who are pushed into their positions by cause and effect, have God to blame for their actions. But, God has held a little piece of freedom open to people - their strength of faith in Him - and He simply takes that strength of faith and matches it with the cause and effect that He produces in people. So, while it is God acting, He is acting according to what the people ask of Him, even though they don't realize they are asking.

When anybody acts this closely to God, there very definitely are great abilities available to them.

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