Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 03:01:30 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 15, 2016, 01:48:18 AM

Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 01:03:53 AM

I was talking about the fact that you believe your God created the universe but failed to mention it in your original reply.

Now, look at how easy that was for you. If you had mentioned it right away, I could have responded differently.

You're right or course. I shouldn't have given you the benefit of doubt and think that you possessed enough intelligence to comprehend what I was saying without having to spell it out for you in simple terms. I promise not to make this mistake again.

See, I can be condescending too. Grin

Quote from: BADecker on October 15, 2016, 01:48:18 AM

Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 01:03:53 AM

Normally you never miss an opportunity to tell everyone about this so I thought that maybe you'd been rethinking your position. Nothing was mentioned about the way or methods until you raised it above.

"Are you now admitting that you don't know how the universe came to be?" Actually, this part is where you mentioned about the way or methods... in that little word "how." If you didn't mean the way or methods, why didn't you express what you meant? The fact that God created the universe is undeniable. You might think that you are denying it, but you really aren't and can't.

The answer to how from you is always God. The ways or methods that God used were irrelevant in the context of the original question.

The fact that God created the universe is undeniable only in your eyes and I do not believe this. If I'm not really denying it, as you say, then what am I doing exactly?

Quote from: BADecker on October 15, 2016, 01:48:18 AM

Quote from: TooQik on October 15, 2016, 01:03:53 AM

While what you say is true, unlike yourself I have greater faith in the abilities of human beings. If given enough opportunity I believe there isn't much that we won't be able to one day explain that doesn't require a faith based in religion. I feel that the only thing that could potentially stop us is some catastrophic event that either wipes us out or removes our collective knowledge.

Your greater faith in human beings who are pushed into their positions by cause and effect, have God to blame for their actions. But, God has held a little piece of freedom open to people - their strength of faith in Him - and He simply takes that strength of faith and matches it with the cause and effect that He produces in people. So, while it is God acting, He is acting according to what the people ask of Him, even though they don't realize they are asking.

Okay, so none of us are accountable for our thoughts or our actions, it's all cause and effect with God as the cause. If this is in fact the case then God is to blame for me not believing in him / her / it and if he / she / it chooses to punish me because of this then they're really only punishing themselves.

There is nothing wrong with a person who can't think so well. If you are like that, God loves you, and gives you what you need according to the amount and direction of your faith in Him. Your faith is partially free for you to control. So it is you that is directing God for your life, simply by the amount and kind of faith you have in Him... not by any of the external things that we all seem to have free choice in.

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