Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 16, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 16, 2016, 09:32:56 PM

Discourage? With what? Fines? Jail?

No, there could be other solutions, like not promoting it in every fucking media outlet. Literally from degenerate hiphop music to hippy crap its all about drugs, and that gets annoying after a while.

Yea if people were responsible ,but they are not. Like how well it worked out with alcohol, 80% of teenagers are constantly drunk, and by the time they get old they get all sorts of liver and intestine problems.

Don't tell me drugs dont have side effects, after all they are far worse than you pimp them. I think it makes people zombies, all these drug addicts look like some mentally disabled zombies.

Some people can use drugs responsibly, and some drugs are just easy to use responsibly (tea and coffee, for instance. Take it away from a coffee drinker, then tell me it's not addictive).

You've got strong opinions about this, but guess what? (you guessed it...) Me too. I agree that "drug culture" is sometimes very alarming to observe, but people should be free to do so. And I'm a product of that culture to a certain extent, as the 90's electronic music scene played a big role in my upbringing. The extent to which that culture brought together ghetto-ised inner city youth was amazing, and the results were overwhelmingly positive.

I understand that crude exploitation of these drug-fuelled cultures lead to banal music and culture, but I fail to see how The Beatles, Larry Heard (of acid house fame) or Eric B & Rakim could have come about without LSD, MDMA or marijuana. The music influenced the drugs and the drugs influenced the music. And those musicians are up there with Bach and Puccini for me.

Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 16, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 16, 2016, 08:21:01 PM

Yes, but I'm still interested to hear how it is you would like drugs to be discouraged without tyranny though!

By finding the root cause why people are addicts in the first place ,and eliminate that. Drug addicts, alcohol addicts, food addicts, video game addicts, sex addicts, etc etc...

They need therapy not prison. But above all we need to find out the causes why they are addicts ,and eliminate the causes.

Few of the reasons could be poverty, lack of discipline, bad education, abusive parents, etc...

Yes, I agree. But compulsive behaviour is complex psychology sometimes, it depends on so much about the way an individual thinks. The frequently difficult aspect is getting someone with harmful behaviour to even recognise they have a problem. Unless you want to force them into treatment (not the libertarian way), significant amounts of drug addicts will not take the advice.

Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 16, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 16, 2016, 08:21:01 PM

In principle, me too. Should authorities be involved in either marriage or divorce though, that's what I'm really getting at. It's one thing to have an opinion, yours and mine are the same or similar. It's another thing to say what you think should happen about it.

How about this: why not let people get married and divorced without anyone to officiate? Who's business is it when two people wish to make a new family together, other than that of the spouses? Blockchain could do that job IMO

No but what is the point of marriage if it's not life long?

People should be careful who they choose. Marriage should not be a contract that you can just dissolve. It when you have a kid, you dont throw him away just because you dont like him. You stick with it until you die.

So people have to be very careful who they choose as partners.

I am tired of all this cheatings, divorces, cuckold couples, and other bullshit. The kids will suffer from this and become just as stupid as their parents.

*sigh*

Yes, I agree with all this too. But who really goes into any relationship without hoping it might be the one that lasts? I've often said that there's alot of people out there that just aren't suited to getting married, you can see the outcome (divorce) years in advance with some people. But again, freedom to make mistakes is paramount for me. Maybe if we weren't all living these very intense 40 hours + working weeks with 14 days holiday a year, people would have better quality time to think about these decisions, to meet a wider range of people before they make hasty or ill-considered commitments.

Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 16, 2016, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 16, 2016, 08:21:01 PM

Uh-oh, collectivist authoritarian detection! Nations are artificial to a large extent, and you can't be saying government is by nature oppressive and corrupt, and simultaneously grant the same institution the power to police borders as a monopoly on force.

Let's put it another way: do you know what year national borders, and the passports needed to cross them, were introduced? Clue: not as long ago as you might think.

So is your property, but that doesnt mean you wont defend it. Who cares if it's artificial, its your culture and your neighborhood or your way of life.

Who said anything here about a government? Why cant the border security be a competitive thing? Just as bodyguards or private security could be an alternative to police, we could see similar things for border security.

Yeah because people realized that immigration can bring down empires, it brough down the Roman Empire and just look at Europe now, do you like it?

I'm with you on these observations also, immigration is being used as a covert weapon by the political class. The left-identifying knee-jerking annoys me a great deal here: merely pointing out that 100's of thousands of immigrants arriving simultaneously is going to cause indigenous xenophobes to start calling for lynchings is itself dismissed as racism. I don't know what they think they're arguing for, that somehow they can convert every who's afraid of foreigners into hippies overnight, just because "it's the right thing to do". What difference does that make if the migrants and the xenophobes end up all killing each other!

I agree that security services would be more accountable if privatised. But the borders stuff has to go, apart from the border to your house and mine, of course. There's one aspect of globalisation that no-one can put back into the bottle: the technology. Modern transport and communications have made the world a smaller place, and that trend is not looking like changing for the time being. When it takes hours to do journeys that used to take weeks, when I think of the idea of queuing up to check myself in at the gate to get a little book stamped.... Roll Eyes

I just don't have time for that. I'd love to be able to develop trading relationships worldwide, just for a weekly grocery shop. Go to Equador and Cote d'Ivoire for some chocolate, over to India and China for tea leaves and spices, pass through quickly France, Chile and Uruguay for vegetables.... how am I supposed to get this all done in one day if I have to mess about with customs desks and immigration officials and visa documents and... Cheesy