Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 18, 2016, 01:28:08 AM

Large blocksize = Leftists fail to recognize that a 2mb blocksize renders node operators a huge burden because they actually have to manage their own limited resources
Whining about big fees = Bitcoin fees are like 10 cent compared to like 4-5% + 5$ at major card company payments, yet they still complain that it's too much and cant make this tiny sacrifice for the benefit of bitcoin
Wealth redistribution = In altcoins, people constantly while about premine, and would love equal redistribution of coins, and sometimes even extend this to bitcoin as well
Democratic Bitcoin = they constantly want to push for a democratic governance of bitcoin, whining about Core, and they want to essentially "steal" away the rights from Core (that is their private property) over their property. Also complaining about Blockstream, and inventing bogeyman stories about them.
Conspiracy theories about Blockstream = yes I saw many people here inventing conspiracy theories about Blockstream and the devs that work for them, this is a classical propaganda tool of the left to discredit good people
Censorship = this is their favorite tool, just see how many posts have been censored at /r/btc
Lying to fit the narrative = yes they don't shy away from this too, people have been caught fabricating nonsense statistics about the bitcoin network to push for a hardfork
5-year old behavior = when caught in the bullshit, they get angry and turn their back on bitcoin, and start attacking it, for not fitting their personal ideas. They are not loyal to bitcoin if they cant shape it into their worldview, and become enemies of bitcoin very quickly.

Quote from: franky1 on October 18, 2016, 09:43:14 AM

Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 18, 2016, 01:28:08 AM

Large blocksize = blockstream lovers fail to recognize that a 4mb blockweight renders node operators a huge burden because they actually have to manage their own limited resources, compared to just 2mb
Whining about big fees = Bitcoin fees are like taxes and blockstream lovers want that to increase on chain tax to bait people over to offchain
Wealth redistribution = In altcoins, but not bitcoin.. people constantly whine about premine, and centralized store and thats why they are happy to not have it in bitcoin, and instead keep to bitcoins standard method of distribution (pools)
Democratic Bitcoin = consensus is decentralised bitcoin, core do not own bitcoin. core is just core. bitcoin is a network of many different 'brands' check out cores own github
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What is Bitcoin?
Bitcoin is an experimental digital currency that enables instant payments to anyone, anywhere in the world. Bitcoin uses peer-to-peer technology to operate with no central authority: managing transactions and issuing money are carried out collectively by the network.
Also complaining about Blockstream, who are tied to banks (fact, research hyperledger and PwC)
Conspiracy theories about Blockstream = call out any negative details about blockstream gets you shunned for highlighting such negatives. call blockstream the positive utopian dream of dominance wins you a contract to shill for them
Censorship = this is their favorite tool, just see how many posts have been censored at /r/bitcoin
Lying to fit the narrative = blockstream lovers do this alot. first rule about loving blockstream dont talk about blockstream negatives and fight those that do
5-year old behavior = when caught in the bullshit, they get angry and turn their back on bitcoin, defending blockstream, They are not loyal to bitcoin if they cant shape it into blockstream view, and become enemies of bitcoin very quickly.

*Sigh*

This is precisely why Carlton had the right idea with his first post in this thread:

Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 13, 2016, 08:52:33 AM

The left/right isn't a political spectrum, it's a divide and conquer tactic, whereby liberalism gets split into economic liberalism and social liberalism, and then one side is fed arguments about why the other is the source of all problems.

The best approach is to never use the left/right concept, as you're always going to look like a reflexive partisan, one step away from using the non-argument "you're just one of them!"

That's exactly what just happened here. You both approach the issue from your own opposite views, becoming completely divided by it. Chances are, both interpretations are slightly dishonest and the truth actually lies somewhere in the middle. Just keep it simple and agree that everyone is free to run the code they want.