Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 18, 2016, 04:14:54 PM

Quote from: DooMAD on October 18, 2016, 02:31:34 PM

So yeah, I'm definitely not "telling people it's a democracy". If anything, I want what we still delude ourselves into calling "democracy" in the outside world to be more like Bitcoin.

Perhaps I'm just reading it the wrong way because you're effectively calling consensus itself an oligarchy. To me that just feels perverse. Undecided

There are no benevolent oligarchies. Sooner or later they'll be initiating transfer of wealth into their own pockets by fair means or foul. Just more corrupt centralisation by another name.

Okay, but calling the consensus mechanism a "free market of ideas" is also wrong! The clue's in the name... the Bitcoin protocol rules are designed to make eveyrone on the network participate in the same way. If the consensus mechanism was a genuine free market, there would be constant jockeying for position about which ruleset dominates. This is supposed to be a currency; how do you think the BTC exchange rate would respond if we changed dev teams every time someone starts shouting "FIRE!"?

Here's how I see it:

Bitcoin development is a free market: submit a pull request and see how it is received
The cryptocurrency development world is a free market: create a new coin, see how well it is received
The consensus mechanism is not a free market. It is an emergency escape hatch, to be used against an infiltrated dev team, NOT for disrupting Bitcoin's direction with competing coin designs

You seem to subscribe to that last part: that there should be real conflict going on within the development of Bitcoin itself. Promoting that is dangerous, and it makes me wonder how invested you are in Bitcoin.

Well, all I can say is we're close to agreement, but I don't think we'll ever be quite fully there. I respect your view as you've outlined it, though.

Incidentally, I'm not saying there should be conflict within development, just that it doesn't matter when developers don't agree, because it's ultimately not their decision.

In contrast, here's how I see it:

~~Bitcoin~~ Core development is a free market: submit a pull request and see how it is received
Bitcoin development as a whole is a free market: anyone is free to code their own proposals if other developers disagree, see how well it is received
The cryptocurrency development world is a free market: if your believe your idea is incompatible with Bitcoin, create a new coin, see how well it is received
The consensus mechanism is ~~not~~ absolutely a free market. It is an emergency escape hatch, to be used if those securing the network no longer agree with the function of the code

But fair enough if you disagree.