Quote from: A! on October 19, 2016, 03:54:44 PM

I think we need more mods and more good mods that deserve better salary. Banning by association is like North Korean Laws. Your banning the managers, but what about those members that follow the rules? They will be ruined too without doing any mistakes. This a conflict of interest on your part because you have own signature campaign firm.

We are not employees and the money staff get paid is not a salary but just a thanks for helping out, but with the amount of spam that is caused by sig spammers it is unmanageable and you would probably need ten full time and fully paid mods just to deal with it but we shouldn't have to be dealing with it if businesses would run their campaigns properly. The problem here is entirely down to greedy/lazy businesses who want to get the cheapest advertising possible with little to no effort on their part.

Quote from: redsn0w on October 19, 2016, 04:19:42 PM

I think the best thing to do is _ban_ all the signature campaign, it will resolve the problem (I'm sure).

Why not try for 1 month?

I've suggested we try an outright ban if not on this forum then with the launch of the new one. Probably wouldn't help much if people know it's only temporary but it would be an interesting experiment to see how much traffic dropped off.

Quote from: deisik on October 19, 2016, 04:47:09 PM

Even if all they care for is only exposure, this still doesn't mean that they are deliberately encouraging spammers. I think that any service would prefer good posters to spammy ones. There may be just not enough good posters currently looking for participation or the payment is too low that only compulsive spammers get attracted by such a campaign. But in any case, it is a campaign manager who first agrees to manage a signature campaign for the service and then indiscriminately accepts participants into it...

Therefore, the campaign managers are the ones who should be dealt with and where it will be most effective

Of course they're encouraging spammers by their ineptitude and inadequacy to properly run their campaign. They pay people to post shit. People wouldn't be posting streams of crap if they weren't going to get paid for it. If campaign operators did their job efficiently there would be no issue in the first place but what happens when there is no manager? What do we do then? Let's take bitmixer for example. As others have said they will pay anyone for any post as long as it's over 75 characters regardless of content. They would literally pay a user for posting I don't know what to write but as long as it's a minimum of 75 characters I'll get paid or aaaaaaasssssssddddddfffffffgggggghhhhhjjjjjkkkklllllppppoooiiiiuuuuyyyytttrreew wqqqaaassddffghhhjjjkkkll;;ppoiuyttrewqqasdgf in every thread if staff didn't intervene. This cannot be acceptable and this shouldn't be left up to staff to clean up. If you pay people for whatever crap they post with nobody checking it then it is going to be abused and you are paying for it to happen so they're liable and this needs to stop. It's rare that you see anyone on bitmixer write more than a sentence or two because why would they? And most campaigns don't really care about the content because one post is one advert of theirs being shown regardless if it's one word or a ten paragraphs.

Quote from: deisik on October 19, 2016, 08:32:49 PM

Quote from: achow101 on October 19, 2016, 08:27:57 PM

Bitmixer.io's signature campaign is the perfect case study of this. Their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=425135.0 was started by the service themselves. It is wholly managed by them, and their bot.

They accept, check posts, and pay out, via a bot on their website. The BITMIXER.IO user has not been online since September, and he last posted in July. He has been PM'ed warnings multiple times by the mods but he has never responded. They are doing absolutely nothing to curb spam from their sig campaign participants. Even punishing the BITMIXER.IO account wouldn't do anything because that account is not really used and everything is done entirely through a bot.

The only thing that could really be done with bitmixer is to completely shut down their campaign by trashing the thread, blocking the bot, and forcibly removing their signature from all participants.

I don't think that shutting down the whole campaign makes sense since that would in effect be equal to cancelling signatures altogether in the most indiscriminate way. It is obvious as well that not all users enrolled in this campaign are evil spammers, but this doesn't in the least mean that there are no spammers without any signature, either. It might well be the case that this service attracts the greatest number of shit posters across the forum, but this alone doesn't make it anywhere near guilty for them posting outright spam. Since you can always find a number of die-hard spammers who wear no signature at all. On the other hand, nothing prevents all these Bitmixer.io spammers from starting posting sense (or at least refrain from posting garbage) if they really wanted to. As you can see, their failure to comply with the quality standards of the forum is not Bitmixer.io's fault...

Do you have an army of alts on bitmixer or something? How is it not bitmixers fault? Of course it is. They are paying people to do this. So what do we do? Just let bitmixer continue to pay people to shit all over the forum and we as staff are meant to waste our time day after day running around after them cleaning up their mess? Don't be silly. If you have a leaky toilet pipe squirting shit all over in the every direction do you just run around like a madman trying to put a bucket under every hole that appears to catch the waste and then say problem solved? No. You fix the source of the problem. Shit campaigns are the problem. Bitmixer do nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. And because of that 95% of their users post utter rubbish. It doesn't matter if they have a handful of posters who make good posts. That's irrelevant. They can find other campaigns. Staff are not here to babysit bitmixer and every other campaign who do nothing but pay people to post spam. We shouldn't have to clean up their mess because it shouldn't be happening in the first place. We ban dozens of spammers a day but it doesn't do anything when the campaigns do nothing but keep encouraging it by paying users for whatever crap they can be bothered to do and this is the solution. If they can't run a campaign properly then you can't advertise here in such a way any longer and if you want to continue advertising here in such a way then get your shit together and stop paying people to crap everywhere.