Quote from: tvbcof on October 19, 2016, 07:29:10 PM

I was conversing with one of my NPR-ish progressive informants recently and stated my position that 'if the election is demonstrably stolen and some other groups who I could have some degree of confidence in stages a coup, I would support it.'

My informant was shocked. I tried to describe my philosophy which is, in my opinion very rational, but I'm not sure it sunk in.

My philosophy is that if the election is stolen, the 'victors' are thieves. If a coup is undertaken successfully, the participants are also thieves. So it is a matter of picking the thief who one considers to have the highest probability of producing a good outcome. 'Good' is subjective and means different things to different people of course. For my part, 'good' means furthering of the nation in something close to the form that the framer's envisioned.

Indeed, in the case of a coup dealing with a stolen election in a putative Democracy, it is a matter of a thief stealing from another thief. In a double-negative-ish sort of way it could be the case that a natural non-thief was converted into one by a bad situation. So, there is more hope for the coup participants who might be OK than for the election subverters who are 'bad' by definition...as I define it at least.

I also pointed out, or tried to, that there are nations in which coups are not all that uncommon in modern times and those who have pulled them off (often the military) have relinquished power as the threats to the nation diminished. Or as support drained away, or whatever. From my crude understandings, Turkey is a good example of this.

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With respect to the election, I'm sensing quite strongly that there is a media psy-op regarding the polls. The goal is just to provide some cover for an election theft. Part of what makes me suspicious is that it is what I'd do as a strategy if I were 'evil' (and paid.) The other part is that even given the massive media efforts to assult Trump and prop up Clinton, it makes not much logical sense that the polls are doing what is reported (for the most broadly reported of them) and it doesn't square with the on-the-ground support which can be seen/sensed through the media smokescreen.

I'm not saying that my senses here are right, but in just about every other part of this campaign my senses, when they have been this solid, have been right on. The volumes of Wikileaks data, as well as other sources such as PVeritas, have time and time again simply provided fairly bullet-proof confirmation of something I've sensed with a high degree to be the reality. It's almost spooky.

I'd almost bet money that we'll at one point see leaked confirmation of a polling psy-op as I've described. The main reason I would not is that I have little confidence that leaks will be common, or even possible, if the Clinton side 'wins'. It has ever likelihood of being an earth-changing development and a gateway between today's relative mobility (in multiple ways) and a world with is significantly different in this regard.

Thank you for your opinion. I really enjoyed. In USA we have coup's behind the scenes. The last few happened during Kennedy where a very dangerous group shot there way into power. They have been there ever since. During this time we have seen the elimination of the federal position in the judiciary department that investigates corrupt fed. gov. officials (last one was poisoned at a sporting event with a hot dog). And the increase in corruption at the federal level.

   The election is the peaceful way we transfer power in the USA and there is a reason for the second amendment. Because the people must prosecute this election with threat of violence. If only the gov has guns then they will never transfer power without balance of power from the people who are angry enough to use it.

   The democrats are being provided a peaceful alternative in Trump and they are showing us that they are doubling down on the lies and censorship instead determined to steal this election from the people and deny us a Trump presidency after he is showing 85+% in real data

   Voluntary exit polls must be conducted with HD cameras on polling locations. Verification of voters must be done with the local records book. Many reports are coming in where 4 voters are registered to each address where it should only be two. So far the fraudulent names are usually Spanish sounding names blended with the family name of the people living at the address. And PVeritas just exposed how this is being done.

   1) So now the fight is going to be getting new voter to the polls on voting day or help with the absentee ballots. 2) Verification of how many voters are at your address and make sure it is you and not someone else (you have a right to look at this book). 3) if you find others registered at you address grab the book, take photos and run and yell "VOTER FRAUD AUDITOR, VOTER FRAUD AUDITOR! AND PEOPLE WILL HELP YOU THEY ARE SICK OF THE FRAUD TOO. PUBLISH THIS FAR AND WIDE."
4) HD camera all polling exits in USA on NOV 8th and compare online for double voters that get bussed around
5) Someone needs to click the number of people that go in and out of each polling location
6) Conduct voluntary exit polls on paper, or anyway possible to find margin of real error with the official results and the data from item # 5 above

If the globalists really had something wonderful going for them they would not need to steal and lie to us. We would be happy to fund their wonderful idea. But the truth is they want your vote, money, property and life and care not what you think.
7) wear red on voting day for Trump and write the words Trump on your shirt or wear a red Trump shirt.