Quote from: achow101 on October 19, 2016, 10:59:23 PM

Quote from: deisik on October 19, 2016, 08:32:49 PM

I don't think that shutting down the whole campaign makes sense since that would in effect be equal to cancelling signatures altogether in the most indiscriminate way. It is obvious as well that not all users enrolled in this campaign are evil spammers, but this doesn't in the least mean that there are no spammers without any signature, either.

Ever hear of the saying "A few bad apples ruin the bunch"? That is exactly what is happening here. If those users who are not shit posters actually post with decent quality, they should have absolutely no problem finding another signature campaign willing to both pay them more and accept them into the campaign

As Fedor Dostoevsky said, better acquit ten guilty men than punish one innocent. I understand that forum administration has the right to do what they want, but would this be quite in line with their own Constitution and ten Commandments?

Or are laws carved in stone rewritten in blood?

Quote from: achow101 on October 19, 2016, 10:59:23 PM

Quote from: deisik on October 19, 2016, 08:32:49 PM

It might well be the case that this service attracts the greatest number of shit posters across the forum, but this alone doesn't make it anywhere near guilty for them posting outright spam. Since you can always find a number of die-hard spammers who wear no signature at all. On the other hand, nothing prevents all these Bitmixer.io spammers from starting posting sense (or at least refrain from posting garbage) if they really wanted to. As you can see, their failure to comply with the quality standards of the forum is not Bitmixer.io's fault...

It is entirely bitmixer.io's fault for paying the shit posters and not enforcing their own anti-spam rule. It is entirely their fault for enabling those shit posters/account farmers to continue to post and be paid for it. They are encouraging shit posting by continuing to pay for it; and that is entirely their fault

I have to disagree, for the sake of justice. Bitmixer.io is not part of BTCT, so they cannot possibly be found guilty or faulty by the forum laws. But if we extended the forum rules on them, even in that case they cannot be convicted and sentenced. Why should they try to enforce their own anti-spam rule if this is exactly what mods should do? I don't like shit posters maybe even more than you, but you are evidently trying to first humanize and then villainize the service. Right now I can't come up with a decent solution in respect to how resolve such and similar issues, but outright banning services would be highly counterproductive...

Unless they do or offer something really nasty, of course

Quote from: achow101 on October 19, 2016, 10:59:23 PM

Quote from: deisik on October 19, 2016, 08:32:49 PM

Given that, these spammers should get banned just like any other spammers here

Many are, but many still continue to shit post after their bans or they come back with alts to complain about their bans. However there is enough evidence to suggest that many of those spammers spam because they are being paid by poorly managed campaigns. Thus instead of treating the symptoms of the problem (i.e. the spammers), we need to treat the source (i.e. the campaigns themselves and the people who run them).

That's what I suggest myself. But banning services just doesn't cut it. Punishing whole campaigns themselves would essentially mean that you openly admit your failure to resolve the issue efficiently and effectively