Quote from: Bitcoin Megastore on March 28, 2013, 02:30:29 AM

Quote from: Frankie Delaney on March 28, 2013, 02:12:01 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Megastore on March 28, 2013, 01:58:13 AM

2 out of "dozen of loud and stupid people" posted already, that was really quick Grin

Yes, the people who aren't shilling for a vaporware manufacturer are the stupid ones. BFL modified their hashing power and power usage targets to match bASIC's specs. It wasn't "we engineered this device to run at 60gh/s and use 60 watts", it was "bASIC says their machine will run at 60gh/s and 60 watts, so we have to say ours will too". bASIC couldn't deliver, what makes you think BFL can? a die shrink from 110nm to 65nm doesn't give you a 90% drop in power usage, and BFL has proven with their delays that they are nowhere near as capable of engineering a rig as Avalon.

Quote from: Frankie Delaney on March 28, 2013, 02:12:01 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Megastore on March 28, 2013, 01:58:13 AM

2 out of "dozen of loud and stupid people" posted already, that was really quick Grin

Yes, the people who aren't shilling for a vaporware manufacturer are the stupid ones. BFL modified their hashing power and power usage targets to match bASIC's specs. It wasn't "we engineered this device to run at 60gh/s and use 60 watts", it was "bASIC says their machine will run at 60gh/s and 60 watts, so we have to say ours will too". bASIC couldn't deliver, what makes you think BFL can? a die shrink from 110nm to 65nm doesn't give you a 90% drop in power usage, and BFL has proven with their delays that they are nowhere near as capable of engineering a rig as Avalon.

Avalon and Single are not in the same category, actualy they are not even close to same category. Are you really retarded or just pretending?
What do you actualy know about chip design? Nothing. Same as others in your pathetic forum crawling group, you are lame, frustrated and dumb.

I'll quote Josh from BFL, post where he profiled you and alikes perfectly:

"I know some people think it's easy to do what we are doing, and to that I would like to point out the fact that there still isn't any viable competitors
in this market place. Avalon has shipped at most 300 units which has taken them 3 months to accomplish - we are geared up to ship that many (and
more) per day. That kind of volume is not trivial. The lack of viable competitors should be an indication of the fact that this process is not trivial, no
matter how much the piss poor "engineers" and armchair quarterbacks on Bitcointalk want you to believe they know what they are talking about, the
simple fact is: They don't. If they did, they would be multi-millionaires selling you Bitcoin ASICs, and you'd have these amazing product they can
supposedly design from scratch in an afternoon. The fact that they are on Bitcointalk talking about how awesome they are as opposed to selling you
ASICs should be the first clue that they have no idea what they are doing or what they are talking about."

Now go buy Avalons and enjoy them for a while, until network hits few Petahashes or more.

This josh fellow sounds impartial and trustworthy. let's analyze what he has said.

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I know some people think it's easy to do what we are doing, and to that I would like to point out the fact that there still isn't any viable competitors
in this market place. Avalon has shipped at most 300 units which has taken them 3 months to accomplish

And in 9 months, BFL has shipped at most 0 units. If avalon isn't viable because it took 3 months to get 300 units out the door, what does that make BFL?

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we are geared up to ship that many (and more) per day.

If they got their maximum theoretical number of chips out of each wafer, and every chip is perfect, they can build 25 minirigs or 625 singles with it. So what, they're going to build every unit they can with every chip they have in a day, and then what? does their 300 unit per day output only count on the one day they ship product? Even if they do ever ship from their first set of wafers, they've shown they can't make it from wafer to running chip within 4 months. Yeah, they might have the physical ability to screw boards into 300 boxes of fans in a day, but that doesn't mean they have the ability to ship 300 units a day, they quite simply aren't capable of producing the number of chips required for that.

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The lack of viable competitors should be an indication of the fact that this process is not trivial, no
matter how much the piss poor "engineers" and armchair quarterbacks on Bitcointalk want you to believe they know what they are talking about, the
simple fact is: They don't. If they did, they would be multi-millionaires selling you Bitcoin ASICs, and you'd have these amazing product they can
supposedly design from scratch in an afternoon. The fact that they are on Bitcointalk talking about how awesome they are as opposed to selling you
ASICs should be the first clue that they have no idea what they are doing or what they are talking about."

Here he is right and wrong. Yes, it is hard to produce a working ASIC. No i couldn't do it because i'm an idiot, but just because i couldn't do it doesn't instantly mean they can. Saying nobody else is a viable competitor doesn't suddenly make BFL one. Saying somebody can't do something doesn't immediately mean they can.

Comparing a working, running, proven product to on-paper specs of vaporware is a losers game. If avalon built and shipped their product with the specs it has before BFL announced theirs with the announced specs, 100% of the users here would be screaming scammer, and BFL wouldn't get a cent. They've conned people into believing, and strung them along with fake delivery dates and fake updates to keep money coming in, and prevent refunds from being requested. The worst part is they've built an army of fanboys willing to support their wild claims and bullshit rants.