Quote from: rtrtcrypto on November 19, 2016, 07:36:32 PM

Let me say that, outside of my continued concern in having David interacting with the community on THIS forum, clearly something that is not working for most of the year now, (though things are usually better in the official IOTA channels), that I'm also worried about the constant "last claim didn't count but the next one will". If I'm not mistaken, we already claimed last year, then once MORE last year then again under the new GUI earlier this year (then were also asked to create a new ultra secure account/seed - which most did)... now, we have been asked to claim AGAIN.

This doesn't inspire too much confidence and is perhaps why many people (myself included) have deciding to wait until later in the year (or next year since we have a one year deadline) to make this "new" claim. It feels kind of shitty to have been part of three or four snapshots and secured seeds and jumped through hoops only to find out "it didn't really count". This is doubly worrisome when the CEO of the company comes out with aggressive demands that a customer forcibly accept a refund (at an economic disadvantage at that) - a refund, mind you, that should have already been impossible four times over, as most people have already claimed multiple times only to have the entire network re-set.

To be clear, I'm not too upset about re-setting and optimizing the network (or waiting generally)... but, to wait and be told: "STFU or you will have your seed and account excluded from the genesis snapshot" is extremely disturbing.

As a last point, it would suck to claim - go away for two years for x reason, come back and be told "well, sorry, that claim didn't count because we re-set everything 4-5 more times after we opened the claim process". That has legal and PR trouble written all over it and I would tread carefully here to make sure no one is excluded for things which were not part of the software sale.

**meaning, I don't assume that there was a clause in the sale that said you were forced to keep up with development on a weekly/monthly basis after getting your software released to you. If anything, the re-setting of the network, if it left a member who participated in the software sale on the outside looking in, would look to constitute a breach. This can, of course, all be avoided with some careful planning and understanding from the dev group. I hope this is thought over carefully.

Best,
rtrt

I refuse to engage further in this discussion, and you know our past discussions on this which I don't think any of us will want to revive, but if you insist we will.

On your concrete criticisms

1. If you feel that having to keep an eye on the project is an unreasonable demand, then you were never cut out for this in the first place. We are revolutionizing already revolutionizing technology here, OF COURSE it will go through iterations. Ethereum is 3 years old and have already hardforked several times, we haven't even released the software in full yet. I am completely flabbergasted by those who think in terms of "hey, I deposted a few btc in an account, now I can lay back and be entitled to anything I want while these people work from 8 am until 3 am every day to make me rich"

2. I never said anything remotely like what you just paraphrased. OF COURSE I will offer a refund to dissatisfied customers. This is called professionalism in any other industry but the insanity of the greedy crypto world. And if the person continues to slander / be of annoyance to other customers ( which is what you are when you delay the entire project ) then refund is no longer voluntary, but a decision made by the company. I am 100% comfortable with taking anyone to the full legal road on this here in Norway where the company and sale was legally conducted. The fact that this is even remotely controversial exposes the true intent of the purchasers, they are speculators who we told to fuck off pre-sale.

3. What you call my 'aggression' is actually a very reasonable and measured response to completely insane demands. We have delivered the software with tons of additions on top of it, going way beyond our original sales agreement. In addition to this we have made people already a 30x ROI. Anywhere else on Earth you'd expect the receivers to be on their knees praising your work, but not in crypto, in crypto you have to deal with retarded idiots whining like fucking entitled fucktards. In order to not just quit the entire project you have to be allowed to vent that tension in an honest manner, and I prefer this over being a manipulative guy who just lies to the community, which is what you seem to call for.