Quote from: jbreher on November 24, 2016, 12:33:20 AM

Quote from: Lauda on November 24, 2016, 12:06:34 AM

Quote from: jbreher on November 23, 2016, 11:53:55 PM

How about you provide a link to a quote so I can know what you're talking about?

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Roger Ver finds it "difficult to support segwit" because he is "more concerned about morals of the people who came up it", than the technology itself.

It was initially in a video, but it seems to be gone now. Here's a [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5bha5d/roger_ver_finds_it_difficult_to_support_segwit/]link.

Leaving aside the fact that cherry-picking some random rich dude and attributing an entire movement to that person is ludicrous...

You seem to be stating that you view Ver's verbal statement of "difficult to support segwit" as synonymous with "[primarily Roger Ver and ViaBTC have been] fighting for blocking scaling and Segwit and pro a fork." This says more about you than it does of Ver.

Quote from: Lauda on November 24, 2016, 12:06:34 AM

Quote from: jbreher on November 23, 2016, 11:53:55 PM

And again, we're not for "blocking scaling and SegWit"*. We BU-ers are for implementing scaling through the emergent consensus of the entire network having control over maxblocksize.

Just implement Segwit and continue promoting/preaching what you are already doing. It causes no harm but helps move forward (at least a bit).

No. You (core, et al) just implement emergent maxblocksize and continue promoting/preaching what you are already doing. It causes no harm but helps move forward (at least a bit).

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Quote from: jbreher on November 23, 2016, 11:53:55 PM

Which by all accounts is the mainstream. We're just fighting for what we believe is the most beneficial approach and best path forward to a more capable Bitcoin, maximizing value to the largest possible set of users.

Mainstream people should not be trying to decide technical limits though.

Now see, that is what is known as an opinion. Dogma really. Spare me the 'holier than thou' shit. I do not agree. There was a time when the prevailing attitude within Bitcoin was that our money was to be free of arbitrary limitations imposed by others. Further, it is not a technical limit. There is some limit that technology imposes, but it sure-the-hell-ain't 1MB (good thing, as The SegWit Omnibus Changeset implements a sliding scale for maxblocksize that can be as large as 4MB). No. What we have here is a centrally-imposed limit within the code. Indeed, this limit was not put in place to begin with to deal with a technological problem, and its realtion to any underlying technological limit is tenuous at best.

Roger Ver is not some random rich guy, he is the self proclaimed Bitcoin Jesus and lately the Bitcoin Judas. He has dumped loads of money into a alternative forum, that are being used to spread propaganda for whatever flavor of Bitcoin or Alt coin he wants to hype. < Usually something that are not supported by the Blockstream guys >

He has found a niche market for the people with a revolutionary mindset. < The ones who wants to piss in the wind >

It started with < fabricated censorship > and now it is all about money. < Gambling etc.. >