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Delegates' proposals: https://forum.lisk.io/viewforum.php?f=48

that fucking carteling situation, still ruins the whole idea of delegates

But this is just a section in lisk forum where the delegates can imagine.
And most of them are very active community members since the beginning.

and whats then? they decided to vote on each other right from the begining. There is pretty little chances to a new comer to get involved
its clearly a cartel

this only works if they have enough lisk. the ark guys have a lot of lisk and will vote their own delegates. and i think there are some other with a huge amount of lisk.

and yes. i don't like the voting system neither.

It costs millions of $ initial investment to startup a competitive Bitcoin mining operation.

Ethereum mining is similar, with big investments in hardware, datacenter, electricity.

It is hard for new comers to get a delegate spot, that's just the nature of a capitalist system.

Imagine if they changed it to 2000 delegates, so everyone could run a delegate. Then there would be very little incentive to collect Lisk, form groups of supporters, and add value to Lisk in order to get a delegate position.

yes thats capitalism. the rich get richer. and the richer become even richer.
and what is happening here and with other cryptos is that decentralation disappears.

It's happening everywhere, decentralisation doesn't mean everyone can or will be rich.
It's like first come, first served for example with Bitcoin (the early adopters/miners). You can't blame them only because they found (mined and bought) bitcoin before you or am I wrong?

your are not wrong according BTC. but why not to changes things that in future "the time of adoption" does not matter anymore?

If you come up with a good idea, like a blockchain app for example, then delegates, who are all different types of people from all over the world, might collectively invest more forged LSK than you would have forged by being a delegate.

Much more decentralized than old system where you would have to get approval from a bank or venture capitalist to finance a business plan.