Quote from: tvbcof on December 07, 2016, 07:24:34 PM

Quote from: dwma on December 07, 2016, 06:40:42 PM

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Global warming/climate change, you'll never find doubter who also doesn't hate government. I also like to keep government to a minimum but that doesn't make me see reality different.

'Never' is a strong term.

I'm probably typical in that I'm not especially or ever remotely 'anti-government'. I'm 'anti-corrupt-government'.

The 'global climate change' thing is a hoax and a fraud, but it's not really spawned from any particular government level. It's the brain-child of a group of multi-nationals who have a huge amount of influence in a lot of governments and have made these governments highly corrupt. That includes my own here in the U.S..

More importantly for the purposes of this discussion, these global interests which have mind-boggling resources at their disposal have had the same impact on academia. Indeed, they have pretty much succeeded in turning 'science' into a new form of religion. Typical of religion, the notion of a 'fact' has a different meaning than it does in classical science.

By controlling both academia and government, and by augmenting 'fact' with input injected from other entities which the globalists also control (media, NGO, etc) they have succeeded in 'controlling the narrative' with respect to 'climate change' to a significant degree. Not as much as they would like to have and need to have however. Look for this new 'fake news' invention to have an immediate and tangible impact on the climate change discussions.

When I read this stuff about the conspiracies and shit I just start hearing a kookoo (sp?) clock.

I've asked the clown men many a time to set a distinct threshold where they will admit being wrong. They never do. It would back the into a corner.

They don't realize that they can still just fall back on the 'science is bad' which is one of the few consistencies you see in these threads by the deniers. It is really the only path out for the brain while maintaining a cohesion in this discussion.