Quote from: fancyhash on December 14, 2016, 02:52:48 PM

dinofelis,

In situation when monero already have the same market volume as bitcoin, same liquidity and etc it would be interesting to point out that monero is more anonimous then bitcoin. And it is really great. And it is really advantage.
But in conditions where bitcoin is already widely distributed someone offers to use another coin and as the argument he says that it is technically more anonymous then bitcoin.. "Thats very cool" most ppl will answer, continue using bitcoin coz strongly anonymity is not the main thing for them.

I would think that both monero and bitcoin are still in a kind of infinitesimal infancy before these kinds of considerations even take place. I mean, both are essentially only used by a very small club. Yes, bitcoin is at this moment about 100 times larger than monero if we look at volume and market cap, but this is "almost nothing" versus "100 times almost nothing". It is not that bitcoin has already, say, 40% of the money market cap, and monero is a newcomer. Then I would agree that there is a dominant market player. For the moment, bitcoin is in the "parts-per-million" region of the money market, and monero is 100 times smaller yet. There are few chances that I will be confronted with the Joe-plumber-Mary problem, so it seems that this anonymity doesn't matter.

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Privacy you are talking can be achieved in a few easy steps using bitcoin.
(Joe will have to do quite complex work to find out you gave some money to Mary.)

It's more difficult than you think. I agree with you that if Joe gave me an amount of money, and then I want to transfer that amount of money to Mary, I can do 20 transactions in between, which means I have to pay 20 fees and wait many times 10 minutes. But if I want to give another amount to Mary, there are change addresses that will get mixed in, which may combine with other pieces of information.
Or I can use a mixer. And we're back to "anonymity".

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And those for whom anonymity is important will not use it coz new coin does not provide anonymity while used only by few ppl.
Thats what i mean when said that "Anonymization is not the right feature to be used as growth driver."

My point is that "people" didn't chose yet. By far most people didn't adopt, nor bitcoin, nor monero. The market shares aren't established yet. At all. Both are still at a ridiculously small market share. Bitcoin cannot grow much any more by block chain limitations. Bitcoin, at this point, cannot handle yet another factor of 100 in transaction numbers. Monero can, obviously. Now, it can very well be that people in the bitcoin world will finally solve their issues, but in the mean time, they will be reaching "maturity", while the other one has all the possibilities to grow and catch up.

I'm not saying that that will happen. My fear is rather that in a few years, the crypto hype will more or less be over, because apart from gamblers and geeks, it doesn't really catch on in the NORMAL economy. At which point, again, anonymity or not doesn't matter. But if crypto is to go somewhere, it is still in its smallest possible infancy, and one cannot yet say that there is a market domination by one or another, as all of them, including bitcoin, have infinitesimally small market shares.