Quote from: Wh0CaR3s on December 16, 2016, 07:28:46 AM

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on December 15, 2016, 10:23:46 PM

Hi WhoCares,

The problem with your analysis of bots (the 2 players you mentioned in question) is that you only have about 200-300 hand sample. Do you expect a site to ban a player because of your minute sample size and your gut instincts?

I already explained myself here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1612688.msg16874992#msg16874992
And it has nothing to do with "gut instincts". But you can choose to believe I am FOS like youre hinting I am.

As for what I expected from Betcoin is that they actually used their DB to confirm what I already knew was true.
If they thought I was FOS like you think I am, they would have told me outright. They did not. At all.

But when after 2 months, Andrew was still telling me that they were on the case and they were still compiling DATA well, that is pure BS.
It doesnt take months to put up all the hands you have on a player and do a security check on a suspected account. Especially when you already know what youre looking for.
Or that speaks volume about the Betcoin security department.

And thats the core of the problem. Its either they are incompetent or that they choose not to do anything against these BOTs because all that they can see its them filling up tables.

Were talking about a site, Betcoin, which used house BOTs to fill their tables during months after they launched. Those house BOTs were operated by Gadhafi the former owner of the scam site SatoshiPoker [Source: Ghadafi himself as he talked openly about it in chat, multiple times].

Giving this track record, thinking that Betcoin elects to do nothing against these new BOTs is not far-fetched

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on December 15, 2016, 10:23:46 PM

Regarding Table Starter Rakeback, sure there isn't a time table of when it'll be back, but the answer is that it will be back, inevitably. The reason there isn't a time table is because the specs of TBSR is still being worked on and debated. Andrew's answer wasn't set in stone. The site has just updated to a new platform and many things are pending, from promo's to backend, etc.

Is that your gut instincts ?

Facts:
Its been 6 weeks TSRB has disappeared
According to Andrew there is no timetable for it to come back

Consequence: At this time, your OP title is false advertisement.

WhoCares, I'm not hinting that you're FOS. All I'm saying is that the sample size that you presented isn't enough evidence to ban the player(s) in question.

All Andrew is saying is that there isn't an exact date in mind for the return of TBSR. Notice immediately afterwards he says "when" it returns, that it will be changed, but didn't give exact details. He never said "if" it returns. So I'm certainly not going by "gut instincts".

Thank you for reminding me that one is no longer able to get up to 133% rakeback. I've changed the title so that no one will get misled.

Anyway, back to discussing the botting issue. If I were to place a bet on whether the players you presented were actually bots, I would just flip a coin. I understand that botting is a real issue in online poker today, and I'm not undermining your expertise/analysis, but when it comes to banning/confiscating one's funds, there just needs to be more evidence, otherwise it becomes a slippery slope.

Finally, I must say that what you're doing is very honorable, because you want a great poker environment for everyone, and we're on the same page with that. I'd like you to continue doing your analysis, and please present to me any new data and findings.