Quote from: af_newbie on December 16, 2016, 02:06:48 PM

Quote from: manswter on December 16, 2016, 01:50:45 PM

Quote from: Oops on December 16, 2016, 01:35:33 PM

Quote from: Placid on December 16, 2016, 01:33:32 PM

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Nobody goes to heaven.

Both of you please stay on topic! (I SAID --->IF<---), Also believers who hurt others that an other thing, I'm talking ONLY about TRUE believers and TRUE Atheists.

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC!

I'm on topic. There is no IF.

I'm a "true" Atheist, whatever that means. I will not go to heaven or hell, as both are imaginary constructs.

Your "IF", assumes that both hell and heaven exist.

The reality is: When we die, we die.

Show me one case when someone died for a month and was revived. One fucking case.

So, you know everything in life, right? You know exactly what is going to happen tomorrow and next year, right? You know all the answers to all the mysteries in the universe, right? There is nothing that has ever come as a surprise to you, right?

Wake up and see that you have no basis for your faith. Your faith is blind faith. Blind faith has no basis, and is something that is predicated on the unknown. You might think that you believe. You might even be close to believing. But you don't know.

Sure, we might be living in some kind of subtle, unrecognizable matrix. But the things that we base our reality on remain rather constant. We can believe in these things. One of the basics of these is cause and effect. It is available everywhere, in all things. It almost proves that God exists, all by itself. Nothing contradicts cause and effect. If there is any cause and effect contradiction, we haven't found a hint of it. You are way off base with your silly idea that God doesn't exist.

To stay on topic... the point is, if God doesn't exist, nobody gets hurt more than he would otherwise, by death, for believing or for not believing. But if God DOES exist, and is truthful to the things He says, atheists will be living in great pain forever, following the resurrection.

Do you want to chance it? Is your knowledge that God doesn't exist so great that it covers every dimension of every millimeter of the universe? Is there absolutely no chance that you could be wrong? Is you faith in atheism so strong that it is greater than God's faith - God Who created the whole universe - if He DOES exist?

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