Quote from: rhinomonkey on December 16, 2016, 04:22:37 PM

Quote from: stonehedge on December 16, 2016, 10:55:13 AM

There is a serious lack of productive discussion and way too much blind cheerleading from people who should (and probably do) know better on this thread.

Georgem has made it clear that he doesn't give a shit about working as part of a community. He wants everybody to support him blindly and will give virtually nothing in return. If that bothers you, its not going to change. Believe me, quite a few people have tried to provide support where it is needed and it isn't welcome.

I'm actually certain he will deliver in time but the question is has anybody ever delivered something good by isolating himself and refusing to work as a team? Georgem by his own admission is self teaching and learning as he goes. There is nothing wrong with that. I just feel that over a year is too long to be asking for blind support with nothing in return and no willingness to tap into the wealth of experience in the Spreadcoin community.

Coins101 is one of the very best in crypto at what he does. His ideas are right up there with some of the biggest names in the industry. What worries me is that there seems to be a big gap between what Coins101 wants to do and what Georgem is doing. Talk of the whitepaper is great, but who is to say that it will be delivered here?

I'm going to put myself at risk of ridicule by making a prediction. By the time Georgem has mastered Spreadcoin and started work on Coins101's whitepaper, other projects will have moved on to the next generation of blockchain technology rendering Spreadcoin dead in the water. Never lose sight of the fact that blockchain, as we know it, is like the internet in the mid 90s. World changing but clunky, cumbersome and ultimately not fulfilling its potential. Real innovation is happening out there.

I look forward to finding out whether the above paragraph will be quoted in the future to ridicule me or congratulate me on my prediction.

For context to the post, Stone left due to disagreements with Georgem's practices as a dev (issues with communication). He is now working on another project called Crowncoin which from the brief bits I've read is hoping to solve Bitcoin's blocksize issue. This is what he alludes to when saying 'next generation of blockchain technology'. I'm assuming he is fairly confident in the developments in that project, and that they will beat Spreadcoin to solving Bitcoin's problem with blocksize / transaction limit. Not through incentivizing nodes mind you, but by just reducing the size of the blockchain? I can only really speculate as to what they are working on because I don't know exactly what it is.

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Georgem has made it clear that he doesn't give a shit about working as part of a community. He wants everybody to support him blindly and will give virtually nothing in return. If that bothers you, its not going to change.

I still think that Georgem is taking steps in the right direction with his community engagement. I'm not sure if you have seen what he posted in Spreadcointalk but here it is from (http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762.msg4101#msg4101):

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hm, BTC is down for me at the moment.
Reminds me why it's good to have your own forum. Cool

So, I wanted to say something about the "patronage" funding I brought up earlier.
It should be the best way to incentivize a regular steady financial support for the developers of spreadcoin (currently only me), without the need to do the scammy things many other devs/communities have been doing in the altcoin sphere. (ICO, instamine, taxing miners, and other crap etc...)

here is an idea how "patronage" could look like:

1) 20$ (or equivalent in crypto) and you will receive regular closed source preview versions to test on your computer. (I deploy for win, mac and linux simultaneously)
I want to keep this cheap so that many people will be capable to post feedback/screenshots/videos about their testing.
First goal will be to release a new test-version every week.

2) 100$. All of the above and: I will permantly put your Name/Pseudonym in the "About" section (and READMEs, etc) of the wallet as supporter. Highest donators listed first.

3) 200$. All of the above and: I will favor your input regarding wallet-features more (within reason), but we will have to see how we can sync your desires with everybody else's. No extravaganza.

3) 500$. All of the above and: It doesn't matter if your wishes are extravangant anymore (within reason), I will basically maintain a "fork" of the wallet to satisfy your own special "kink". Cool

4) 1000$. All of the above and: You will receive the preview-versions with sourcecode. I maintain full ownership of the code, until the day we release a first public beta version. From then on the license will be fully free and open source like bitcoin. (MIT license)

5) XXX$ I will invent new levels as we progress.

(All donations will be cummulative, meaning I will keep track about all the donations you make and sum them up. Those donations are not monthly or anything. Just you donating more and more will add to your pile and release new benefits. )

BTW, what I describe here is for the spreadwallet only.
As the other project (the spreadminer) progresses I will start a similar separate "patronage" scheme for it too. (More about it later this month)

This way people will be able to donate towards whatever project they find more "important" / "pressing" at the moment.

What do you say, guys?

If you ever wanted to create the wallet you always dreamed about.... here's the opportunity to do so!

I have highlighted in bold what I think can be a framework for the community to have more of a voice. I was discussing the issue of communication and transparency a few posts back - maybe you saw. Essentially, I think the Patreon can be used by the community to negotiate with Georgem over communication. You are right that he might not 'naturally' be inclined to post about more 'feelings' issues. But if the community finds a problem with some aspect of development (whether that be communication, transparency, or that Georgem doesn't post enough photos of hamsters) to be important enough, then they can donate under the condition that the issue will be addressed. I think it could work.

I really had no ulterior motive with my post. It is nothing to do with what I'm doing now.

I was triggered into posting by the fact the person I sold my major share to has lost patience and is now looking to sell himself for the same reasons.

In terms of block chain development I was not referring to the project I am now involved with. Crown has not delivered yet either. To compare would be misguided.