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Is it true only investors lost the money in moneypot but moneypot owners and app owners are in profits?

I'm not so good in understanding the statistics, but from this table, it looks like only investors lost the money and others are in still profit. If it is true, then moneypot is not suitable for investors, right?

Yes, it's true.

The site and the apps make a guaranteed gain every time a bet is placed, even if the bet wins. When a bet wins, not only do the investors have to pay the winner of the bet, but they also have to pay the site and the app owner. You can see that in the screenshot. Comparing the left and right sides you see that while the site profit dropped by just 78.5 BTC, the investor profit dropped by 82.5 BTC. The app owners actually profited by 3 BTC from this large loss, and the site itself profited by a further 1 BTC. The investors made up the difference.

On the other hand, if the apps ever do better than expected then the investors will also do better than expected. The site and the apps take a percentage of the wagered amount, independent of the actual profit. The way things are set up means that when the site performs at less than 70% of expectation the investors take a loss.

If moneypot and app owners are not involved in risk taking than I don't consider such sites are safe to invest money and it is just my opinion because I think in some way site owners and app owners also need to pay these big wins then only I feel whole business model can grow in a healthy way otherwise I think it is not fair to push all losses to only investors. And I don't think hosting and maintaining site cost will be that high to push all big wins only to investors.

App owners have their own costs. MP has their own costs (encapsulating coverage of all apps, development, time expense, etc.) PLUS has always had a large portion of the BR. To say MP has not had any "risks" is asinine. When the BR tanks, MP loses as well, not just investors, as MP is, at its core, an investor as well, both personally and business-oriented.

I also want to stress the fact that the grand total paid to ANY of the MP owners over the past year (which covers our ownership period) is exactly 0.00000000 BTC. ALL income that has been made has always been put back into the system for growth, development, etc. There has been a lot we've worked on behind the scenes, and just don't want to share at this point because people like to ask for a specific release date and then attack you if something slows that down and/or things change with regards to actual execution of ideas.

What have you guys spent $100,000 on over the last year...?

The number shown/claimed on Dicesites is FAR from actual. We had zero commission for a significant period of the year, which isn't accounted for there. We didn't get even close to 100k. And that's assuming it was all kept in BTC. Our expenses are almost entirely fiat-based, where the value of BTC was much lower than it is today.

Anyways, I brought up the fact that we've taken zero satoshi because we are in this for the long-term, not short-term.